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[goldendarko]

  Is iPhone battery replaceable by user?  No
 
Is Samsung battery replaceable by user? No
 
Is HTC battery replaceable by user?  No
 
My last replaceable battery phone is back 6 years ago I remember.
 
Is it impossible to replace a battery on iPhone ?  No, some technical guys/company can do that.
 
So after 2-3 years, if you want to replace the battery of dp-x1. I think you can get someone to do the job.

True, but i also expect to replace my iPhone every few years. I'm looking at a DAP like a piece of audio equipment that should last a lifetime, not be a brick in a few years. Quite frankly too, I can't subsidize the cost of this device like I can with an iPhone, so realistically you'll be paying a lot more up front for a device that only plays music. 

 

[bflat]

  True, but i also expect to replace my iPhone every few years. I'm looking at a DAP like a piece of audio equipment that should last a lifetime, not be a brick in a few years. Quite frankly too, I can't subsidize the cost of this device like I can with an iPhone, so realistically you'll be paying a lot more up front for a device that only plays music. 

 
Understandable, but I don't know if comparing say a solid state amp to a DAP is fair in the longevity department. There are more things that can wear out than battery:
 

1. Screen burn
2. Dead screen pixels
3. Backlight
4. Touch digitizer
5. OS updates will end of life at some point
6. The built in solid state memory will definitely not last a lifetime
7. USB connector will eventually wear out with the constant plugging/unplugging

 
A DAP is better compared to a PC or laptop. Nobody expects either of those to last more than 5 years.

 

[goldendarko]

   
A DAP is better compared to a PC or laptop. Nobody expects either of those to last more than 5 years.

Yeah I guess that's one way to look at it, still I'm concerned about buying one regardless because of the initial reported issues with the 2.5mm balanced output and TIDAL streaming, both of which i plan to use. The battery isn't a major issue but I still think it should be user replaceable so you don't have to throw it away in a few years.

 

[addyg]

  Yeah I guess that's one way to look at it, still I'm concerned about buying one regardless because of the initial reported issues with the 2.5mm balanced output and TIDAL streaming, both of which i plan to use. The battery isn't a major issue but I still think it should be user replaceable so you don't have to throw it away in a few years.

 
I am not trying to convince you.  But for what I see, I don't think any company will built a replaceable battery Android dap that can compare.
 
We just have to settle to what the market is offering.

 

[goldendarko]

   
We just have to settle to what the market is offering.

 
I agree with the first part, this part I do not agree with. I will choose not to buy it rather than settle for something with this many problems. 

 

[guymrob]

Can anyone confirm that DP-X1 is UAPP enabled or there's a software glitch? When I playback 44.1kHz, it displayed as 44.1kHz/PCM 48kHz? Does it mean it sample rate from 44.1kHz to 48kHz? I also tried 88.2kHz and it showed as 88.2kHz/PCM 96kHz.

When I playback DSD 2.8MHz, it displayed as 2.8MHz/PCM 192kHz and 5.6MHz as 5.6MHz/PCM 192kHz? It's seemed to me it is neither PCM nor DSD native playback. I like player and going to purchase but was unsure. Thanks

 

[addyg]

Can anyone confirm that DP-X1 is UAPP enabled or there's a software glitch? When I playback 44.1kHz, it displayed as 44.1kHz/PCM 48kHz? Does it mean it sample rate from 44.1kHz to 48kHz? I also tried 88.2kHz and it showed as 88.2kHz/PCM 96kHz.

When I playback DSD 2.8MHz, it displayed as 2.8MHz/PCM 192kHz and 5.6MHz as 5.6MHz/PCM 192kHz? It's seemed to me it is neither PCM nor DSD native playback. I like player and going to purchase but was unsure. Thanks

 
I purchased the UAPP.  But I think it is not good enough a product compare to Neutron which is at about the same price.
 
The EQ part of UAPP when use with Tidal is hard to tone for a good sound. Changing the sampling rate to three different selection does not seem to affect the sound.
 
Finger crossed to see the next update of UAPP can really enhance on the SQ.

 

[likearake]

Can anyone confirm that DP-X1 is UAPP enabled or there's a software glitch? When I playback 44.1kHz, it displayed as 44.1kHz/PCM 48kHz? Does it mean it sample rate from 44.1kHz to 48kHz? I also tried 88.2kHz and it showed as 88.2kHz/PCM 96kHz.

When I playback DSD 2.8MHz, it displayed as 2.8MHz/PCM 192kHz and 5.6MHz as 5.6MHz/PCM 192kHz? It's seemed to me it is neither PCM nor DSD native playback. I like player and going to purchase but was unsure. Thanks

 
The same is displayed when playing files with the native Onkyo player. The DP-X1 cannot play DSD natively and seems to only clock at multiples of 48. So don't think it is a problem with UAPP.

 

[guymrob]

If it only support multiple of 48kHz then it will obviously Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) if non multiple 48KHz is detected. I thought that is issue of Android OS and can be bypassed like Fiio X7? I got a lot of ripped CDs tracks in 44.1kHz FLAC and I want playback bit to bit perfect and not sample rate to 48kHz.

 

[Despotes]

   
Understandable, but I don't know if comparing say a solid state amp to a DAP is fair in the longevity department. There are more things that can wear out than battery:
 

1. Screen burn
2. Dead screen pixels
3. Backlight
4. Touch digitizer
5. OS updates will end of life at some point
6. The built in solid state memory will definitely not last a lifetime
7. USB connector will eventually wear out with the constant plugging/unplugging

 
A DAP is better compared to a PC or laptop. Nobody expects either of those to last more than 5 years.

 
I have a latop that is about 8 years old and going strong only because I replaced the battery a few times.
I still occasionally use my x5L because I replaced the battery. It's about 10 years old and has a built in radio which is nice.
Anything can fail with any device or appliance, but a guaranteed early death for an $800 device is unacceptable because you can't replace the battery.

 

[Despotes]

Agreed. But like many smartphones, don't buy a model that just makes it on battery life you need on a day to day basis. If you need 10 hours a day, get a phone that can go 16. If you get one that does 10 as a paper specification you will be greatly dissatisfied in real use. The same principle applies to DAPs and other electronics.

 
I definitely don't. It's all about balance and tradeoffs because manufacturers still can't get it right. Unfortunately, the X1 has most of what I want in a DAP except you can't place the battery w/o possibly damaging it. The cost is too high to not be able to replace it.

 

[addyg]

I think there are Cons to the removable battery that make almost every manufacturer giving up on them:
 
- Not as nice looking as sealed unit
- Battery contact points not solid enough
- Water / dust resistant
 
For changing the battery on iPhone(any sealed unit), I think it is quite easy giving the right person with right tool to fixit.

 

[Despotes]

  I think there are Cons to the removable battery that make almost every manufacturer giving up on them:
 
- Not as nice looking as sealed unit
- Battery contact points not solid enough
- Water / dust resistant
 
For changing the battery on iPhone(any sealed unit), I think it is quite easy giving the right person with right tool to fixit.

Those "cons" don't trump a dead device just because you can't replace the battery.
Just who is this "right" person?

 

[likearake]

If it only support multiple of 48kHz then it will obviously Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) if non multiple 48KHz is detected. I thought that is issue of Android OS and can be bypassed like Fiio X7? I got a lot of ripped CDs tracks in 44.1kHz FLAC and I want playback bit to bit perfect and not sample rate to 48kHz.

I think this is hardware issue not due to android resampling. Because you can play eg 192kHz at 192 which I don't think would be the case if it was the android problem.

 

[cirodts]

Has anyone had a chance to try onkyo dp fiio x1 and x7, sound differences?