ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |

[addyg]

  I need some help with my brand new Onkyo DP-X1.  I am new at DAP and I am not an audio expert.  I am just moving from an Apple Ipod Classic to the DP-X1.  I have 21,000 songs in my itunes account.  I copied the entire Itunes Media folder to my SanDisk 200 Micro SDXC card.  Finally after 20 hours all my music is there.  Unfortunately, no playlist were copied into my DP-X1.  With 21,000 songs it will take forever to organize them again.  Is there any solution to get them organized into playlists like I had in Itunes?  I tried downloading the M3Unify app somebody recommended in this forum but it only works for Mac PC.  I have a Windows 10 PC.  What is the best way to organize my music?
 
I also have problems with the DP-X1 keeping the WI-FI connection.   Very often it gets disconnected and I get a message "Unable to connect to server"  Have other users experienced the same problem.  I have a fast internet service and everything else I have connected to it works perfectly fine.  I am starting to think I have a defective unit.  Could that be the reason?
 
Thanks for your help.

 
For the wi-fi issue, if you are using Japan version. Remember to change the wi-fi band of your router to Asian common band.  I remember it is 18 (but you can check detail through this post).

 

[addyg]

Had mine a week, was having a close inspection of the 3.5mm jack,and noticed it has a bit of travel in it, maybe half a Mm. That's pretty poor I think for a $900 device. The unit came out of Hong Kong. I have read people using glue, but why should I, it should be perfect, especially from Onkyo.

 
If your unit is from HK after May, I think you are safe. One of the retail shop facebook confirm they have not received complain for recent stocks they sold.

 

[x RELIC x]

I need some help with my brand new Onkyo DP-X1.  I am new at DAP and I am not an audio expert.  I am just moving from an Apple Ipod Classic to the DP-X1.  I have 21,000 songs in my itunes account.  I copied the entire Itunes Media folder to my SanDisk 200 Micro SDXC card.  Finally after 20 hours all my music is there.  Unfortunately, no playlist were copied into my DP-X1.  With 21,000 songs it will take forever to organize them again.  Is there any solution to get them organized into playlists like I had in Itunes?  I tried downloading the M3Unify app somebody recommended in this forum but it only works for Mac PC.  I have a Windows 10 PC.  What is the best way to organize my music?

I also have problems with the DP-X1 keeping the WI-FI connection.   Very often it gets disconnected and I get a message "Unable to connect to server"  Have other users experienced the same problem.  I have a fast internet service and everything else I have connected to it works perfectly fine.  I am starting to think I have a defective unit.  Could that be the reason?

Thanks for your help.

It looks like you want to use Dapper from the app store. I haven't used it but many are happy with the app and it's supposed to copy iTunes playlists as well. The DP-X1 isn't part of the tested DAPs but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. You can always contact Jeremy to confirm if the DP-X1 will work.

https://www.map-pin.com/dapper/

 

[addyg]

mine started out with a tight grip yet still loosened overtime and now it's impossible to use the 3.5mm in portable use :-s

2.5mm still works for the time being

 
Try the pull the contact pin treat to see if it helps. Or better return it for RMA.

 

[javier200]

Thank you for the info about Dapper but I went to the link and it says it is for IOS.  I have my music on my windows 10 PC.  Any other suggestion that will work on Windows? 
 
I really need some help with this.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
 
Thank you.

 

[edwardsean]

Rooting the DPX1 and Viper4Android?
 
Hi. Some of you have been asking about rooting the DPX1. However, others feel we should keep this thread devoted to the DPX1 as it is. It makes sense because I think the majority look at the DPX1 and say, "If I it ain't broke don't fix it" (aside from sundry minor issues). Then… there are those that say, "If it ain't broke, break it, and see if you can't fix it to be better.” Rooting goes this latter route, and it is definitely–not–for everyone, but if you’re interested read on. If it does start to be a distraction, I’ll move it to a new thread.
 
Rooting lets you “break” into Android at the "root" firmware level, and tinker with things that neither Android or Onkyo (or your mother) want you to. I think it voids the warranty and there have been a couple cases here of people who have really “broken the OS” (i.e., "bricked" it.) If that happens you can’t just reboot, and you may not be able to get Onkyo's help, because you voided your warranty; it wasn't broke and you broke/bricked it. 
 
So why do it? 
 
I chose the DPX1 over the whole host of DAPs on the market. Cost was not an issue. I chose it because it is currently the highest performing DAP–with an open Android platform. Open Android is a nonnegotiable for me because it means I can use third party players, signal processing apps, and stream Tidal (perhaps with MQA before long). The problem is that the DSP available though Google-Play isn’t great. For example, I like Neutron but its virtualizer is, oddly, meant for speakers. Jet Audio has some usable DSP but it can’t stream Tidal. UAPP can stream Tidal, but it only has an EQ. Tidal-hifi is revolutionary but its app has no DSP at all. 
 
If you don't believe in DSP, there is no reason to root. Rooting will not increase the technical performance of the DPX1 hardware, fix the loose jacks, or make you a better person. For me, I believe that DSP is the future (that, and children). I am aware that the mass of consumer-grade DSP out there promises spectacular sound but only delivers artificial and degraded audio. And then, there's....
 
Viper4Android
 
Euphy Wong and Jasper Loo have developed software called Viper4Android, and it is a serious audio DSP "toolkit." It contains a whole array of processors starting with a great FIR (finite impulse response)-based EQ, various surround virtualizers, ways to extend highs and boost bass, a convolver!, etc. If you get carried away, or don't know what you're doing, you can easily wreck the beautiful sound of the Onkyo. Like a toolkit, you will only use a few of these, but the sheer variety ensures you're likely to find the tool you need. I only use the FIR EQ, and field surround. However, my real goal is to get Smyth Realiser presets on to the DPX1 via V4A’s convolver. Amazingly, it's all free, and unless I'm mistaken, it provides the most powerful and highest quality signal processing available on any mobile device bar none. 
 
The thing is, V4A requires rooting to use. But, by the same token, because it operates at the firmware level, you can apply it to Tidal or any other player. Unfortunately, getting it on to the DPX1 is anything but straightforward. It wouldn’t even be possible without the efforts of xVortex. He made the necessary coding adjustments to get the apps working specifically for the DPX1. He knows the technical details involved and was kind enough to share. I’ve provided links to some general articles and xVortex’s modified files (with permission) to get started below. As far as i know, none of the general instructions for installing V4A will work for the DPX1. You need to use xVortex’s files. Let me repeat again: this is–not–for everyone. If you get into trouble, sadly, I can’t help. Not that I don’t want to, but, I'm brand new to Android/Windows, and in the Mac world, they don't even trust us with two mouse buttons.
 
What I do know is that I’m listening to Tidal(hifi) with V4A thinking, “How did I get here?” I”m getting sound from a little oddly shaped box through tiny IEMs that occasionally fools me into thinking I’m listening to my home headphone system. If I get sober and critical, it’s not really that good (after all, my USB transport alone is worth more than the whole DPX1), but it is better than my desktop system of many years past. Mobile audio is moving forward and, given the limits of miniaturization, I believe it’s going to need DSP. The tech is there, but, right now, it’s not easily accessible. This means weighing the risk for yourself of going off the beaten path. Personally, it was so worth it that I couldn’t keep it to myself. In all practicality, I think the chances of rendering your unit inoperable are slight, but you should be aware of what you’re getting in to. In the end, if your pursuit of audio also makes it impossible for you to leave well enough alone, you may want to explore rooting and V4A. 
 
Rooting: 
http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/improve-sound-quality-android-5-audio-mods-for-better-sounding-music-videos-0162673/
 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android/2/#DRXrWD01AQNeA
 
http://www.kingroot.net/tutorials
 
In Android Settings set "developer options" to: "on" and make sure "USB debugging" is enabled. 
 
Custom Recovery:
[Once your device is rooted you need to install xVortex’s TWRP for DPX1. You cannot install a general custom recovery]
http://www.head-fi.org/t/780642/onkyo-dp-x1-dual-sabre-dacs-balanced-sabre-btl-amp-mqa-dsd-256-android-5/9300#post_12657959
 
[you may need to install the adb driver]
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb.html
 
http://visualgdb.com/KB/usbdebug-manual/
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html?hl=sk
 
 
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-flash-a-custom-recovery-like-CWM-or-TWRP-on-Android_id53914
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
SELinux and Busybox
Go to the Google-Play store, download and install both SELinux and Busybox. They're free.
Set SELinux to: "permissive.
 
Viper4Android:
[Once your devices is rooted and you have xVortex’s TWRP installed, use TWRP to install and flash xVortex’s V4A for DPX1]
https://mega.nz/#!1pUBkSxA!G1F2oGx5pcoKj8ROqXVh-luOyRV5KDSlwVzorJuTHB0
 
 
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
 
http://missingtricks.net/viper4android-android-install-guide/
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
Impulse Responses:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2216193
 
http://en.miui.com/thread-71540-1-1.html
 
 
 

 

[bluesyfluesy]

  Rooting the DPX1 and Viper4Android?
 
Hi. Some of you have been asking about rooting the DPX1. However, others feel we should keep this thread devoted to the DPX1 as it is. It makes sense because I think the majority look at the DPX1 and say, "If I it ain't broke don't fix it" (aside from sundry minor issues). Then… there are those that say, "If it ain't broke, break it, and see if you can't fix it to be better.” Rooting goes this latter route, and it is definitely–not–for everyone, but if you’re interested read on. If it does start to be a distraction, I’ll move it to a new thread.
 
Rooting lets you “break” into Android at the "root" firmware level, and tinker with things that neither Android or Onkyo (or your mother) want you to. I think it voids the warranty and there have been a couple cases here of people who have really “broken the OS” (i.e., "bricked" it.) If that happens you can’t just reboot, and you may not be able to get Onkyo's help, because you voided your warranty; it wasn't broke and you broke/bricked it. 
 
So why do it? 
 
I chose the DPX1 over the whole host of DAPs on the market. Cost was not an issue. I chose it because it is currently the highest performing DAP–with an open Android platform. Open Android is a nonnegotiable for me because it means I can use third party players, signal processing apps, and stream Tidal (perhaps with MQA before long). The problem is that the DSP available though Google-Play isn’t great. For example, I like Neutron but its virtualizer is, oddly, meant for speakers. Jet Audio has some usable DSP but it can’t stream Tidal. UAPP can stream Tidal, but it only has an EQ. Tidal-hifi is revolutionary but its app has no DSP at all. 
 
If you don't believe in DSP, there is no reason to root. Rooting will not increase the technical performance of the DPX1 hardware, fix the loose jacks, or make you a better person. For me, I believe that DSP is the future (that, and children). I am aware that the mass of consumer-grade DSP out there promises spectacular sound but only delivers artificial and degraded audio. 
 
Viper4Android
 
Euphy Wong and Jasper Loo have developed software called Viper4Android, and it is a serious audio DSP "toolkit." It contains a whole array of processors starting with a great FIR (finite impulse response)-based EQ, various surround virtualizers, ways to extend highs and boost bass, a convolver!, etc. If you get carried away, or don't know what you're doing, you can easily wreck the beautiful sound of the Onkyo. Like a toolkit, you will only use a few of these, but the sheer variety ensures you're likely to find the tool you need. I only use the FIR EQ, and field surround. However, my real goal is to get Smyth Realiser presets on to the DPX1 via V4A’s convolver. Amazingly, it's all free, and unless I'm mistaken, it provides the most powerful and highest quality signal processing available on any mobile device bar none. 
 
The thing is, V4A requires rooting to use. But, by the same token, because it operates at the firmware level, you can apply it to Tidal or any other player. Unfortunately, getting it on to the DPX1 is anything but straightforward. It wouldn’t even be possible without the efforts of xVortex. He made the necessary coding adjustments to get the apps working specifically for the DPX1. He knows the technical details involved and was kind enough to share. I’ve provided links to some general articles and xVortex’s modified files (with permission) to get started below. As far as i know, none of the general instructions for installing V4A will work for the DPX1. You need to use xVortex’s files. Let me repeat again: this is–not–for everyone. If you get into trouble, sadly, I can’t help. Not that I don’t want to, but, I'm brand new to Android/Windows, and in the Mac world, they don't even trust us with two mouse buttons.
 
What I do know is that I’m listening to Tidal(hifi) with V4A thinking, “How did I get here?” I”m getting sound from a little oddly shaped box through tiny IEMs that occasionally fools me into thinking I’m listening to my home headphone system. If I get sober and critical, it’s not really that good (after all, my USB transport alone is worth more than the whole DPX1), but it is better than my desktop system of many years past. Mobile audio is moving forward and, given the limits of miniaturization, I believe it’s going to need DSP. The tech is there, but, right now, it’s not easily accessible. This means weighing the risk for yourself of going off the beaten path. Personally, it was so worth it that I couldn’t keep it to myself. In all practicality, I think the chances of rendering your unit inoperable are slight, but you should be aware of what you’re getting in to. In the end, if your pursuit of audio also makes it impossible for you to leave well enough alone, you may want to explore rooting and V4A. 
 
Rooting: 
http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/improve-sound-quality-android-5-audio-mods-for-better-sounding-music-videos-0162673/
 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android/2/#DRXrWD01AQNeA
 
http://www.kingroot.net/tutorials
 
Custom Recovery:
[Once your device is rooted you need to install xVortex’s TWRP for DPX1. You cannot install a general custom recovery]
http://www.head-fi.org/t/780642/onkyo-dp-x1-dual-sabre-dacs-balanced-sabre-btl-amp-mqa-dsd-256-android-5/9300#post_12657959
 
[you may need to install the adb driver]
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb.html
 
http://visualgdb.com/KB/usbdebug-manual/
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html?hl=sk
 
 
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-flash-a-custom-recovery-like-CWM-or-TWRP-on-Android_id53914
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
Viper4Android:
[Once your devices is rooted and you have xVortex’s TWRP installed, use TWRP to install and flash xVortex’s V4A for DPX1]
https://mega.nz/#!1pUBkSxA!G1F2oGx5pcoKj8ROqXVh-luOyRV5KDSlwVzorJuTHB0
 
 
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
 
http://missingtricks.net/viper4android-android-install-guide/
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
Impulse Responses:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2216193
 
http://en.miui.com/thread-71540-1-1.html
 
 
 

Thank you for taking the time to enlighten those who are unsure whether to root their X1 or not. At this point of time, I don't see the point of going through all the hassle of rooting the X1 and potentially screwing something up, since I don't think I'd need any of the things that rooting can bring about. I'm happy enough with the player as it is and I don't think I'll need to "fix anything that's not broke". 

 

[Johnny Woody]

  Rooting the DPX1 and Viper4Android?
 
Hi. Some of you have been asking about rooting the DPX1. However, others feel we should keep this thread devoted to the DPX1 as it is. It makes sense because I think the majority look at the DPX1 and say, "If I it ain't broke don't fix it" (aside from sundry minor issues). Then… there are those that say, "If it ain't broke, break it, and see if you can't fix it to be better.” Rooting goes this latter route, and it is definitely–not–for everyone, but if you’re interested read on. If it does start to be a distraction, I’ll move it to a new thread.
 
Rooting lets you “break” into Android at the "root" firmware level, and tinker with things that neither Android or Onkyo (or your mother) want you to. I think it voids the warranty and there have been a couple cases here of people who have really “broken the OS” (i.e., "bricked" it.) If that happens you can’t just reboot, and you may not be able to get Onkyo's help, because you voided your warranty; it wasn't broke and you broke/bricked it. 
 
So why do it? 
 
I chose the DPX1 over the whole host of DAPs on the market. Cost was not an issue. I chose it because it is currently the highest performing DAP–with an open Android platform. Open Android is a nonnegotiable for me because it means I can use third party players, signal processing apps, and stream Tidal (perhaps with MQA before long). The problem is that the DSP available though Google-Play isn’t great. For example, I like Neutron but its virtualizer is, oddly, meant for speakers. Jet Audio has some usable DSP but it can’t stream Tidal. UAPP can stream Tidal, but it only has an EQ. Tidal-hifi is revolutionary but its app has no DSP at all. 
 
If you don't believe in DSP, there is no reason to root. Rooting will not increase the technical performance of the DPX1 hardware, fix the loose jacks, or make you a better person. For me, I believe that DSP is the future (that, and children). I am aware that the mass of consumer-grade DSP out there promises spectacular sound but only delivers artificial and degraded audio. 
 
Viper4Android
 
Euphy Wong and Jasper Loo have developed software called Viper4Android, and it is a serious audio DSP "toolkit." It contains a whole array of processors starting with a great FIR (finite impulse response)-based EQ, various surround virtualizers, ways to extend highs and boost bass, a convolver!, etc. If you get carried away, or don't know what you're doing, you can easily wreck the beautiful sound of the Onkyo. Like a toolkit, you will only use a few of these, but the sheer variety ensures you're likely to find the tool you need. I only use the FIR EQ, and field surround. However, my real goal is to get Smyth Realiser presets on to the DPX1 via V4A’s convolver. Amazingly, it's all free, and unless I'm mistaken, it provides the most powerful and highest quality signal processing available on any mobile device bar none. 
 
The thing is, V4A requires rooting to use. But, by the same token, because it operates at the firmware level, you can apply it to Tidal or any other player. Unfortunately, getting it on to the DPX1 is anything but straightforward. It wouldn’t even be possible without the efforts of xVortex. He made the necessary coding adjustments to get the apps working specifically for the DPX1. He knows the technical details involved and was kind enough to share. I’ve provided links to some general articles and xVortex’s modified files (with permission) to get started below. As far as i know, none of the general instructions for installing V4A will work for the DPX1. You need to use xVortex’s files. Let me repeat again: this is–not–for everyone. If you get into trouble, sadly, I can’t help. Not that I don’t want to, but, I'm brand new to Android/Windows, and in the Mac world, they don't even trust us with two mouse buttons.
 
What I do know is that I’m listening to Tidal(hifi) with V4A thinking, “How did I get here?” I”m getting sound from a little oddly shaped box through tiny IEMs that occasionally fools me into thinking I’m listening to my home headphone system. If I get sober and critical, it’s not really that good (after all, my USB transport alone is worth more than the whole DPX1), but it is better than my desktop system of many years past. Mobile audio is moving forward and, given the limits of miniaturization, I believe it’s going to need DSP. The tech is there, but, right now, it’s not easily accessible. This means weighing the risk for yourself of going off the beaten path. Personally, it was so worth it that I couldn’t keep it to myself. In all practicality, I think the chances of rendering your unit inoperable are slight, but you should be aware of what you’re getting in to. In the end, if your pursuit of audio also makes it impossible for you to leave well enough alone, you may want to explore rooting and V4A. 
 
Rooting: 
http://android.wonderhowto.com/how-to/improve-sound-quality-android-5-audio-mods-for-better-sounding-music-videos-0162673/
 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-root-android/2/#DRXrWD01AQNeA
 
http://www.kingroot.net/tutorials
 
In Android Settings set "developer options" to: "on" and make sure "USB debugging" is enabled. 
 
Custom Recovery:
[Once your device is rooted you need to install xVortex’s TWRP for DPX1. You cannot install a general custom recovery]
http://www.head-fi.org/t/780642/onkyo-dp-x1-dual-sabre-dacs-balanced-sabre-btl-amp-mqa-dsd-256-android-5/9300#post_12657959
 
[you may need to install the adb driver]
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/run/win-usb.html
 
http://visualgdb.com/KB/usbdebug-manual/
 
https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html?hl=sk
 
 
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-to-flash-a-custom-recovery-like-CWM-or-TWRP-on-Android_id53914
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
SELinux and Busybox
Go to the Google-Play store, download and install both SELinux and Busybox. They're free.
Set SELinux to: "permissive.
 
Viper4Android:
[Once your devices is rooted and you have xVortex’s TWRP installed, use TWRP to install and flash xVortex’s V4A for DPX1]
https://mega.nz/#!1pUBkSxA!G1F2oGx5pcoKj8ROqXVh-luOyRV5KDSlwVzorJuTHB0
 
 
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223
 
http://missingtricks.net/viper4android-android-install-guide/
(for reference, do not follow these instructions)
 
 
Impulse Responses:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2216193
 
http://en.miui.com/thread-71540-1-1.html
 
 
 

Can I use flashify for installing the custom recovery?

 

[rbalcom]

  Thank you for the info about Dapper but I went to the link and it says it is for IOS.  I have my music on my windows 10 PC.  Any other suggestion that will work on Windows? 
 
I really need some help with this.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
 
Thank you.

 
Take a look at this post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/780642/onkyo-dp-x1-dual-sabre-dacs-balanced-sabre-btl-amp-mqa-dsd-256-android-5/9780#post_12687935
 
In step number 1 where @bflat says to "Create M3U playlist files that match the directory structure of your SD card", you need to:
 

• Go to iTunes and Export each of your playlists as M3U files (FILE - LIBRARY - EXPORT PLAYLIST)
• Assuming the directory structure on your SD cards is the same as for iTunes (Artist/Album/Song), use a text editor (Notepad) to remove the c:/My Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music/ from each listed song (or whatever your file path is up to the Artist folder).

 
For step number 2, copy the edited playlist to the SD card that its songs are on.
 
Not a simple process. Please note that I am not a Windows 10 or any other Windows user, but I used @bflat's process to load my playlists on the DP-X1 using my Mac and it worked fine.
 
Good luck.

 

[edwardsean]

  Can I use flashify for installing the custom recovery?

Hey Johnny! Yeah, it was complicated getting this up and running, but completely worth it. 
 
As for flashify, this is where I am totally useless. I don't know what that is. 
 
Hopefully, xVortex can weigh in and also correct anything I said that was off. 
 
Really, I am a diehard Apple guy. For me to deal with the run prompt in Windows... I really had to want it. 

 

[Johnny Woody]

 
Hey Johnny! Yeah, it was complicated getting this up and running, but completely worth it. 
 
As for flashify, this is where I am totally useless. I don't know what that is. 
 
Hopefully, xVortex can weigh in and also correct anything I said that was off. 
 
Really, I am a diehard Apple guy. For me to deal with the run prompt in Windows... I really had to want it. 

Flashify is an app for android system to flash a recovery without a computer
 
nvm, I just tried it and it failed
 
Just need to do it with a computer now

 

[sabloke]

Kathmandu medium sealed box fits perfectly a DP-X1 stacked with Mojo, USB cable and IEMs. Inside padded with soft rubber that keeps everything snug and stable.
Internal volume
1L
Dimensions
15.8cm L x 9cm W x 7.2cm D
Material
ABS

Cheap insurance for my mobile rig. Had a scare a couple of weeks ago when my water bottle leaked inside my backpack and almost soaked expensive electronics... Never again.

 

[midlandcanary]

Hi Guys, 
 
A few more question, sorry. 
 
If I was going to up the Gain and Ohm rating, this would up the gain for everything including Spotify, tidal etc? 
 
Does spotify come with an EQ? I know the iPad version does but the EQ doesn't work on the Samsung S6.
 
Would everyone say this is the best affordable dap around? 
 
Thanks, 
 
John 

 

[addyg]

Kathmandu medium sealed box fits perfectly a DP-X1 stacked with Mojo, USB cable and IEMs. Inside padded with soft rubber that keeps everything snug and stable.
Internal volume
1L
Dimensions
15.8cm L x 9cm W x 7.2cm D
Material
ABS

Cheap insurance for my mobile rig. Had a scare a couple of weeks ago when my water bottle leaked inside my backpack and almost soaked expensive electronics... Never again.

Worry about passing the airport scanner.

 

[sabloke]

Can't see any problems with it as the scanner sees right through it. No metal, just plastic and foam. I'll take the stack out and put it next to my phone and tablet during the scan anyway.