Old "King" of R2R DAC Is Dead? Denafrips Terminator-Plus / Terminator+ Arrives
Aug 20, 2022 at 3:10 AM Post #211 of 236

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Will be obvious .. either mickey mouse tone or slow mo and if cannot hear the difference, you need a better dac ? 🤣
 
Aug 24, 2022 at 10:16 PM Post #212 of 236

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The king of r-2r has always been MSB. Title is kind of ignorant.
Din realised this in my initial post back in July 2020 and guess not so ignorant afterall but yet again somehow negative vibes of owners of non competitively priced chifi of Denafrips Terminator/Plus dac ? 😌

No apology needed 😄
 

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Aug 24, 2022 at 11:43 PM Post #213 of 236

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Terminator do not support external clock devices.
Guess Denafrips believe that their oxco clocks are mighty fine as the only clocks and that having them millimeters mm away from R2R ladder circuitry is best. Yes, the reportedly cybershaft oxco clock of upgraded Tplus also provides further improvement 😃

I am also glad to since this means no option to spend more $ on uber $ external clocking and needing more precious rack spaces 😅

Cheers.
 
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Guess Denafrips believe that their oxco clocks are mighty fine as the only clocks and that having them millimeters mm away from R2R ladder circuitry is best. Yes, the reportedly cybershaft oxco clock of upgraded Tplus also provides further improvement 😃

I am also glad to since this means no option to spend more $ on uber $ external clocking and needing more precious rack spaces 😅

Cheers.

Similar approach to MSB Select DAC II but that DAC is considered to be the best in this regard
 
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Aug 25, 2022 at 1:19 AM Post #217 of 236

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Wow wow wow ... this Mike guy who owns the MSB Select 2 dac (now usd116k) has an incredible system here:

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/615

Guess Mike has whatever power base version that $ can buy 😃
 
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Similar approach to MSB Select DAC II but that DAC is considered to be the best in this regard
Terminator means non-upgradable, MSB have 8 or 16 ladders, still upgradable, maybe I missed a count. And no competitors, this is nice, but don't sell. :)

A big battle is in the price range of Terminator. Rockna Wavelight, Sonnet Morpheus. Audio GD R7-HE or HE-7 (discrete ladder vs 8x PCM1702 Kingwa bought a stock in quantities and now he earns more money on selling chips than together with HE-7). Sound is the most important and totally different from brand to brand, but surprisingly in the Mk2 version there is no big difference between R7-HE and HE-7.
 
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A big battle is in the price range of Terminator. Rockna Wavelight, Sonnet Morpheus. Audio GD R7-HE or HE-7
Sorry but TerminatorPlus in this thread is in different league to Rockna Wavelight, Sonnet Morpheus, Audio GD R7-HE or HE-7 in my opinion .. maybe Terminator 2 or lower range in arsenal of Denafrips dacs but nvr had the Terminator 2 to know. Cheers.
 
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Non-upgradable, terminal. You do like a sound or not, is a different matter.
90k/8k .. I can throw away 11x when I upgrade from my Tplus albeit I cannot afford to do so .. hence no msb select 2 dac 😂
 
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I don't tak about MSB, but alternative
Like which one, what $ and what are upgradeable ?

Upgrade path of Terminator 1, Terminator 1 with improved dsp board, TerminatorPlus and upgraded TerminatorPlus in the last 2.5 yrs for me had been fine especially with added synced clocking, matching ddc, newer clocks ... each time with obvious improvement and great resale values of previous. 😃
 
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So, going by their ad copy, they fixed NOS in the new version but not in the existing version? Sigh.
 

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