Obscure Chinese DAPs
Jun 4, 2018 at 3:21 AM Post #4,891 of 8,140
Hello guys,

I didn't see anyone saying about this DAP, which pop-out on joybuy.com (https://www.joybuy.com/600292789.html). It seems it have AK4490EN DAC + 2xMAX97220A AMP.

For 79$ it looks interessting

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Jun 4, 2018 at 5:19 PM Post #4,895 of 8,140
Just wanted to add to my first thoughts on the F.Audio S1, a few others had reported its slow changing tracks, ie if you decide to change album. This isn't an exaggeration, I've only got 10gb of music on a 128gb card and it's getting slower the more I put on it, if I change albums it takes over 8 seconds for the new song to begin, I love the sound but I'm not going to be able to live with such a delay.

Just double checked, if you have a card in exfat and you insert it into the F.Audio S1 it auto formats it for you to FAT32 which is why I lost 120Gb of music last week :frowning2:.
 
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Jun 4, 2018 at 5:54 PM Post #4,896 of 8,140
Just wanted to add to my first thoughts on the F.Audio S1, a few others had reported its slow changing tracks, ie if you decide to change album. This isn't an exaggeration, I've only got 10gb of music on a 128gb card and it's getting slower the more I put on it, if I change albums it takes over 8 seconds for the new song to begin, I love the sound but I'm not going to be able to live with such a delay.

Just double checked, if you have a card in exfat and you insert it into the F.Audio S1 it auto formats it for you to FAT32 which is why I lost 120Gb of music last week :frowning2:.

Hello,

If you have bluetooth version you can try with the attached new firmware version, maybe is one or two seconds more fast...Is not a final solution, but it's a newer version that I could get.
 

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Jun 4, 2018 at 6:24 PM Post #4,897 of 8,140
Hello,

If you have bluetooth version you can try with the attached new firmware version, maybe is one or two seconds more fast...Is not a final solution, but it's a newer version that I could get.

Attached new firmware? Do I need to view on desktop to access?

I've just formatted to FAT32 using a 3rd party tool on Windows with 16kb unit size and is now much more responsive, 10gb of music, about 1 second to switch to a song in a new album which I'm happy with, hopefully it's still manageable when I've got 100Gb on it as really like the simplicity and sound of the thing.
 
Jun 4, 2018 at 8:46 PM Post #4,898 of 8,140
There is a Zishan DSD with top rated ak4497 dac listed on aliexpress for around 140usd. Any one own this.any information about the output ohm and sound quality of this device. I am confused between this one and f.audio xs02 and fa1.
Different companies? I heard F.Audio was a Benjie subsidiary.
 
Jun 5, 2018 at 12:02 AM Post #4,899 of 8,140
There is a Zishan DSD with top rated ak4497 dac listed on aliexpress for around 140usd. Any one own this.any information about the output ohm and sound quality of this device. I am confused between this one and f.audio xs02 and fa1.
I have Zishan DSD AK4497, F.Audio FA1 and YinLvMei m200+ (AK4497 based USB DAC-amp).

Of those 3 I like the sound of FA1 most (using Trinity Icarus III with custom made 7n mmcx cable), although FA1 suffers from rather annoying regular clicks/ticking noise issue F.Audio is aware of but did not manage to resolve (yet).

Zishan DSD is not bad, but is let down by ELNA output caps (which I removed to a great benefit sound-wise), OP275 of dubious origin in LPF (will be replaced soon), same for voltage gain LM4562 opamp (currently replaced by OPA1652, correction: already AD8620), compared to reportedly 4xAD797 and 2xAD8610 in FA1.

Output buffer of DSD AK4497 is SMD-transistor based, similar design to m200+, but m200+ has a different LPF filter topology compared to FA1 and DSD AK4497 which does not sound as good to my ears.

Both FA1 and DSD AK4497 have 22ohm output resistors, DSD AK4497 has them on 2.5mm balanced out as well.
 
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Jun 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM Post #4,900 of 8,140
I have Zishan DSD AK4497, F.Audio FA1 and YinLvMei m200+ (AK4497 based USB DAC-amp).

Of those 3 I like the sound of FA1 most (using Trinity Icarus III with custom made 7n mmcx cable), although FA1 suffers from rather annoying regular clicks/ticking noise issue F.Audio is aware of but did not manage to resolve (yet).

Zishan DSD is not bad, but is let down by ELNA output caps (which I removed to a great benefit sound-wise), OP275 of dubious origin in LPF (will be replaced soon), same for voltage gain LM4562 opamp (currently replaced by OPA1652, correction: already AD8620), compared to reportedly 4xAD797 and 2xAD8610 in FA1.

Output buffer of DSD AK4497 is SMD-transistor based, similar design to m200+, but m200+ has a different LPF filter topology compared to FA1 and DSD AK4497 which does not sound as good to my ears.

Both FA1 and DSD AK4497 have 22ohm output resistors, DSD AK4497 has them on 2.5mm balanced out as well.

One guy is willing to sell me his year old fiio x5ii second gen in pristine condition with full box and accessories for around 110 usd.so guys should i buy this one or choose between faudio xs02,xs01,fa1 or zishan dsd.my only requirement is sound quality(no bluetooth etc etc).i am on a tight budget.
 
Jun 5, 2018 at 12:32 PM Post #4,901 of 8,140
DAP party Benjie-QNGEE-ZiShan-Shanling a congregation of chifi cousins
The QNGEE is a nice looking well built device still to test it. The M0 is an amazing feat of tech where size doesn't matter.
they all need some burn in retesting

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Jun 5, 2018 at 2:15 PM Post #4,902 of 8,140
any secret in getting the QNGEE x2 to recognize your SD Card?
I pulled the card from my Shanling M0 and plopped it in the X2 and it sees the card but doesn't register anything. I can stick the same card in the ZiShan Z3 and Benjie and no problem. The manual included with the device is in chinese so no help there. Do I need to first format the card in the device before loading songs onto it?

Thanks
 
Jun 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM Post #4,903 of 8,140
Attached new firmware? Do I need to view on desktop to access?

I've just formatted to FAT32 using a 3rd party tool on Windows with 16kb unit size and is now much more responsive, 10gb of music, about 1 second to switch to a song in a new album which I'm happy with, hopefully it's still manageable when I've got 100Gb on it as really like the simplicity and sound of the thing.

Cluster size data you said Is a good point to know. By default my memory use 32Kb and is a 64Gb Sandisk Ultra A1. I changed cluster size to 8Kb and S1 don't recognize. So I use 16Kb like you and is more fast with the new firmware, one or two seconds.
Thank you.

any secret in getting the QNGEE x2 to recognize your SD Card?
I pulled the card from my Shanling M0 and plopped it in the X2 and it sees the card but doesn't register anything. I can stick the same card in the ZiShan Z3 and Benjie and no problem. The manual included with the device is in chinese so no help there. Do I need to first format the card in the device before loading songs onto it?

Thanks

You need to format in FAT32.
 
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Jun 5, 2018 at 4:50 PM Post #4,905 of 8,140
One guy is willing to sell me his year old fiio x5ii second gen in pristine condition with full box and accessories for around 110 usd.so guys should i buy this one or choose between faudio xs02,xs01,fa1 or zishan dsd.my only requirement is sound quality(no bluetooth etc etc).i am on a tight budget.
x5 II for 110usd is a bargain, I would buy this. About others, fa1 is out of budget (240 usd on Penon)
xs01 is 100usd and sounds great (I have it) but is ok for pop rock, trance or any genre with rhytmic patterns, with ambient electronic with lot of bass sound it produces a weird ticking very annoying, same as ivan tt told about fa1, so avoid if you like ambient or any rhytm-less genre.
xs02 is 145usd, is evolution of xs01 and I guess (or hope!) they solved the ticking issue.
I don't know Zishan dsd.
I may suggest Aigo Moonlight Z6pro, 112usd on Joybuy or 160 usd, with discount coupon, on Aliex where I bought it (at the time I didn't know about Joybuy...) Sounds great with beautiful mids, crisp highs and powerful bass, and has plenty of power to drive almost everything. Or the Z6, 112usd on Aliex or 90 on Joybuy. Compared to the Z6pro, it has not Line out, cannot read dsd256 and has a different DAC (Cirrus Logic instead ESS Sabre of the z6Pro)
But, as told before, I would get the Fiio...
 

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