Night Oblivion Butastur thread

[SweetCans928]

All this talk of thick vs thin reminds me of the song Baby Got Back by Sir Mix-a-Lot. Some people watch that video today, and they think "why were people going crazy over the butts in this video, they look like average butts to me" whereas to some people they are still big butts. Just depends on your points of reference, and where your line is for delineating one vs the other. Thick and thin are two sides of the same coin and there's nothing wrong with preferring one over the other. Some people prefer thick(and they cannot lie!), and that's fine. I'm personally ok with both thick and thin, as long as we aren't talking about the extremes of either range. btw @firesign, I'm enjoying this Soen so far, so thanks for mentioning them! Kinda reminds me of Katatonia(one of my favorite bands).

(btw, if anyone is offended by this post, I will edit it out)

Hospital really isn't the idyllic location I had in mind to listen to Butastur at, but it sounds great here too, and even better elsewhere lol

Hoping everything goes well for you. At least, you seem in good spirits and that's like half the battle!

 

[firesign]

All this talk of thick vs thin reminds me of the song Baby Got Back by Sir Mix-a-Lot. Some people watch that video today, and they think "why were people going crazy over the butts in this video, they look like average butts to me" whereas to some people they are still big butts. Just depends on your points of reference, and where your line is for delineating one vs the other. Thick and thin are two sides of the same coin and there's nothing wrong with preferring one over the other. Some people prefer thick(and they cannot lie!), and that's fine. I personally ok with both thick and thin, as long as we aren't talking about the extremes of either range. btw @firesign, I'm enjoying this Soen so far, so thanks for mentioning them! Kinda reminds me of Katatonia(one of my favorite bands).

(btw, if anyone is offended by this post, I will edit it out)


Hoping everything goes well for you. At least, you seem in good spirits and that's like half the battle!

It's funny because I don't like the sound to be too thick, because with fast metal it usually causes congestion in the sound.
But I have found that I don't like the other extreme, too thin sound, either.
There are better ways to achieve clarity and cleanliness in sound, the Neon Pro has proven it.

 

[Leonarfd]

Night Oblivion Butastur arrive on loan from a friend.
Resolving sound, I agree on the thinner and analytical sound.
I will try over many days and get accustomed to the sound profile more. Its an impressive all BA set.

 

[ian91]

Hospital really isn't the idyllic location I had in mind to listen to Butastur at, but it sounds great here too, and even better elsewhere lol

Sending my best wishes your way, get well soon!

 

[zikarus]

Night Oblivion Butastur arrive on loan from a friend.
Resolving sound, I agree on the thinner and analytical sound.
I will try over many days and get accustomed to the sound profile more. Its an impressive all BA set.

Btw - it is worth trying out various cables and tips with the eagle imo. I am waiting for a few new items atm to try even more. Until then I have settled on my Ares for now... Could still be a tad more bass weight for my taste...

 

[Leonarfd]

Btw - it is worth trying out various cables and tips with the eagle imo. I am waiting for a few new items atm to try even more. Until then I have settled on my Ares for now... Could still be a tad more bass weight for my taste...

Agree on Ares S 8wire, helps it. Cadmus felt to thin for my taste. But it looked sexy on the photo.

 

[moots27]

I finally got mine, will try to give impressions after a few days with it.

 

[moots27]

Night Oblivion Butastur
- High Quality cable, but too heavy for my taste
- Recommend getting h470 tips (developed with this iem, but dont come with it)
- Fits very well and is incredibly small for 10ba (size compared with hola)
- Bass slams well with clean authority
- Tuning is balanced, neutral, mid focused. Not thin, not warm, just right.
- Blows my hexas out of the water technically. More detailed than my dt1990, not as much bass slam as it obviously (its a headphone). But digs as deep in the bass.
- I can actually perceive the reverb and small nuances recorded from instruments, actually sounds like its supposed to.
- Bass switch for +1db. Treble switch, dont use unless you have hearing loss in upper treble
- Rolls off after 15khz, I can't tell since my hearing ends at 16khz.
- Imaging is just better, i dont have anything on par to compare it with. Its just better, period.
- Staging is above average, my a4000 stages a bit better.

 

[ANOpax]

Cross posting from elsewhere…

My Butastur arrived yesterday. They are flawlessly finished and I’ve had a bit of time with them using the stock cable and recommend H570 tips.

On first listen, I was a bit disappointed, thinking that they were good but didn’t really bring anything to the table that I wasn’t getting with my Kiwi Ears OL. So I went back to the Kiwi Ears and oh my! The Kiwi Ears were really lacking compared to Butastur.

If there’s one word to describe the Butastur, it’s ‘airy’. But that doesn’t do them justice. I can use additional words like detail and separation, but again, that doesn’t do them justice. It’s because the the air and separation aren’t a thing in themselves, it’s what they allow the music to do. They allow the music to ‘breathe’. It’s a strange description but what I’m hearing is that the Butastur teases apart the individual instruments and vocals in the music and gives them room to breathe - for sounds to bloom and decay. This is why the timbre is so realistic and the details so easy to hear.

Some will hear the air and separation as greater soundstaging or wider image placement but for me, that’s not the ultimate benefit.

Detailed sets can often be harsh - here it isn’t
Separation can often be boring - here it isn’t

Kiwi Ears OL in comparison to Butastur sounded homogenised. All the elements of the music were there but blended into one. Like the difference between beef stew (Kiwi Ears) and steak and roast vegetables (Butastur ).

Another analogy is that by teasing apart the strands of the music, Butastur gives you greater insight to the individual elements of the music and a picture of the whole. Visually, it’s like a thin vs dense forest.

Butastur







Kiwi Ears OL







I think that this ability to deconstruct the recording has led to the complaint that Butastur is ‘thin’ sounding and I can understand this POV. For sure, there is a lower density of the recording as a whole but individual instruments or vocals carry their full weight. As a result, the whole seems thinner but everything is individually present.

I experimented with the switches but the bass switch has no observable impact on bass weight while reducing the air and space between the instruments which is a poor tradeoff. The treble switch makes things unnaturally bright. So both my switches are in the off position, just as the maker intended.

Bravo American Spirit.

 

[nikbr]

Cross posting from elsewhere…

My Butastur arrived yesterday. They are flawlessly finished and I’ve had a bit of time with them using the stock cable and recommend H570 tips.

On first listen, I was a bit disappointed, thinking that they were good but didn’t really bring anything to the table that I wasn’t getting with my Kiwi Ears OL. So I went back to the Kiwi Ears and oh my! The Kiwi Ears were really lacking compared to Butastur.

If there’s one word to describe the Butastur, it’s ‘airy’. But that doesn’t do them justice. I can use additional words like detail and separation, but again, that doesn’t do them justice. It’s because the the air and separation aren’t a thing in themselves, it’s what they allow the music to do. They allow the music to ‘breathe’. It’s a strange description but what I’m hearing is that the Butastur teases apart the individual instruments and vocals in the music and gives them room to breathe - for sounds to bloom and decay. This is why the timbre is so realistic and the details so easy to hear.

Some will hear the air and separation as greater soundstaging or wider image placement but for me, that’s not the ultimate benefit.

Detailed sets can often be harsh - here it isn’t
Separation can often be boring - here it isn’t

Kiwi Ears OL in comparison to Butastur sounded homogenised. All the elements of the music were there but blended into one. Like the difference between beef stew (Kiwi Ears) and steak and roast vegetables (Butastur ).

Another analogy is that by teasing apart the strands of the music, Butastur gives you greater insight to the individual elements of the music and a picture of the whole. Visually, it’s like a thin vs dense forest.

Butastur






Kiwi Ears OL






I think that this ability to deconstruct the recording has led to the complaint that Butastur is ‘thin’ sounding and I can understand this POV. For sure, there is a lower density of the recording as a whole but individual instruments or vocals carry their full weight. As a result, the whole seems thinner but everything is individually present.

I experimented with the switches but the bass switch has no observable impact on bass weight while reducing the air and space between the instruments which is a poor tradeoff. The treble switch makes things unnaturally bright. So both my switches are in the off position, just as the maker intended.

Bravo American Spirit.

Very well described, and love the analogies.

 

[firesign]

Cross posting from elsewhere…

My Butastur arrived yesterday. They are flawlessly finished and I’ve had a bit of time with them using the stock cable and recommend H570 tips.

On first listen, I was a bit disappointed, thinking that they were good but didn’t really bring anything to the table that I wasn’t getting with my Kiwi Ears OL. So I went back to the Kiwi Ears and oh my! The Kiwi Ears were really lacking compared to Butastur.

If there’s one word to describe the Butastur, it’s ‘airy’. But that doesn’t do them justice. I can use additional words like detail and separation, but again, that doesn’t do them justice. It’s because the the air and separation aren’t a thing in themselves, it’s what they allow the music to do. They allow the music to ‘breathe’. It’s a strange description but what I’m hearing is that the Butastur teases apart the individual instruments and vocals in the music and gives them room to breathe - for sounds to bloom and decay. This is why the timbre is so realistic and the details so easy to hear.

Some will hear the air and separation as greater soundstaging or wider image placement but for me, that’s not the ultimate benefit.

Detailed sets can often be harsh - here it isn’t
Separation can often be boring - here it isn’t

Kiwi Ears OL in comparison to Butastur sounded homogenised. All the elements of the music were there but blended into one. Like the difference between beef stew (Kiwi Ears) and steak and roast vegetables (Butastur ).

Another analogy is that by teasing apart the strands of the music, Butastur gives you greater insight to the individual elements of the music and a picture of the whole. Visually, it’s like a thin vs dense forest.

Butastur






Kiwi Ears OL






I think that this ability to deconstruct the recording has led to the complaint that Butastur is ‘thin’ sounding and I can understand this POV. For sure, there is a lower density of the recording as a whole but individual instruments or vocals carry their full weight. As a result, the whole seems thinner but everything is individually present.

I experimented with the switches but the bass switch has no observable impact on bass weight while reducing the air and space between the instruments which is a poor tradeoff. The treble switch makes things unnaturally bright. So both my switches are in the off position, just as the maker intended.

Bravo American Spirit.

Good analogies, indeed.

And that is the thing, that thin forest doesn’t work for all music. There is music that by conception needs to be dense (at least a bit more dense).

 

[zikarus]

Cross posting from elsewhere…

My Butastur arrived yesterday. They are flawlessly finished and I’ve had a bit of time with them using the stock cable and recommend H570 tips.

On first listen, I was a bit disappointed, thinking that they were good but didn’t really bring anything to the table that I wasn’t getting with my Kiwi Ears OL. So I went back to the Kiwi Ears and oh my! The Kiwi Ears were really lacking compared to Butastur.

If there’s one word to describe the Butastur, it’s ‘airy’. But that doesn’t do them justice. I can use additional words like detail and separation, but again, that doesn’t do them justice. It’s because the the air and separation aren’t a thing in themselves, it’s what they allow the music to do. They allow the music to ‘breathe’. It’s a strange description but what I’m hearing is that the Butastur teases apart the individual instruments and vocals in the music and gives them room to breathe - for sounds to bloom and decay. This is why the timbre is so realistic and the details so easy to hear.

Some will hear the air and separation as greater soundstaging or wider image placement but for me, that’s not the ultimate benefit.

Detailed sets can often be harsh - here it isn’t
Separation can often be boring - here it isn’t

Kiwi Ears OL in comparison to Butastur sounded homogenised. All the elements of the music were there but blended into one. Like the difference between beef stew (Kiwi Ears) and steak and roast vegetables (Butastur ).

Another analogy is that by teasing apart the strands of the music, Butastur gives you greater insight to the individual elements of the music and a picture of the whole. Visually, it’s like a thin vs dense forest.

Butastur







Kiwi Ears OL







I think that this ability to deconstruct the recording has led to the complaint that Butastur is ‘thin’ sounding and I can understand this POV. For sure, there is a lower density of the recording as a whole but individual instruments or vocals carry their full weight. As a result, the whole seems thinner but everything is individually present.

I experimented with the switches but the bass switch has no observable impact on bass weight while reducing the air and space between the instruments which is a poor tradeoff. The treble switch makes things unnaturally bright. So both my switches are in the off position, just as the maker intended.

Bravo American Spirit.

Agreed. Butastur "allows the music to breathe." Perfect - says it all...

And @firesign is right too imo: there are genres that need / profit from different strengths / characteristics.

But when the music matches /asks for the Butasturs key quality it is hard to beat...

 

[nihalsharma]

I got a chance to try out the Butastur today. Tried out with various sources (combinations) - Lotoo Paw Gold Touch, Aroma A100TB, Earmen Angel, and Shanling M7. I must say that the IEMS really impressed me a lot. And for the price, it's too good. I think the iem has great potential.

Impressions:

1. The fit is quite good. The shells are small and light.
2. The cable is good enough. The SpinFit W1 tips paired well with the IEMs.
3. I preferred the 10 tuning. I don't think the default treble needs adjustment.
4. The bass is really good for an all-BA IEM. Bass is clean and fast. I do not think that I am missing a DD bass much.
5. The mids are sweet. The staging is decent. The overall cohesion of different frequencies is done really well. I don't find the frequencies poking each other. They get enough space of their own.
6. I don't find the IEMs to be thin sounding. In fact, with the LPGT, the notes have enough weight and sound quite well-bodied.


Overall, I think, if you give the Butastur a good source, it shines a lot. I really liked the tuning. It’s not one of the iems where the maker has just thrown multiple drivers. The good tuning is the real deal. With the LPGT and Aroma amp, it really blew my mind. It’s an iem that delivers way above it's price range

 

[Leonarfd]

Giving Butastur some head time today, must truly be the most resolving IEM you can get for the price.
I find it neutral bright, with correct music it excels and with wrong it crash.
Also similar to other BA sets its very fast, a good contender for fast music.

My preferred music is probably technical IDM eller techno if it's not to boosted in the treble.

Bass is snappy and punchy, only a little lean in its body. Vocals are rather neutral, clear and resolving. Upper mids and treble is quite forward, so cymbal hits and brass can get tiresome and shrill.

But overall this I very good IEM, and perfect entry for people who want a super resolving BA set.

Been testing today with Astra Rame copper cable and Tri Clarion tips. The H570 is not deep enough for me since the nozzle is relative short, tri Clarion work as a good back up.
Yes, Butastur is not made for Tri Clarion at all. As it only elevates the sound to get even slight BA timbre, CP100 do smoothen it a small amount.

 

[SweetCans928]

Giving Butastur some head time today, must truly be the most resolving IEM you can get for the price.
I find it neutral bright, with correct music it excels and with wrong it crash.
Also similar to other BA sets its very fast, a good contender for fast music.

My preferred music is probably technical IDM eller techno if it's not to boosted in the treble.

Bass is snappy and punchy, only a little lean in its body. Vocals are rather neutral, clear and resolving. Upper mids and treble is quite forward, so cymbal hits and brass can get tiresome and shrill.

But overall this I very good IEM, and perfect entry for people who want a super resolving BA set.

Been testing today with Astra Rame copper cable and Tri Clarion tips. The H570 is not deep enough for me since the nozzle is relative short, tri Clarion work as a good back up.
Yes, Butastur is not made for Tri Clarion at all. As it only elevates the sound to get even slight BA timbre, CP100 do smoothen it a small amount.

I put Clarions on mine out of curiosity, and Butastur becomes even brighter, doesn't seem like the best synergy. I do think people might like the Azla Max on Butastur, but it's only shifting the sig a little in the opposite direction. Probably not enough to redeem Butastur if you already aren't vibing with it, so they most likely aren't worth the hail mary. But if you already have them! The H570 do sound a bit too treble-y to me and I actually like the stock green core Penon tips they come with better. Tips can only do so much of course...and tip rolling ad nauseum trying to make something work for you is just exhausting and often not worth it imo.

(I didn't see your edit before making this comment btw)