Night Oblivion Butastur thread

[SweetCans928]

Hi.
For rock, metal and those genres, the king is Neon Pro.
Aurora is good for not as fast metal, but for fastest albums and genres, Aurora and its DD bass is slow than Neon Pro, and gets a bit congested.
Butastur is worse than NP and Aurora for rock and metal, IMHO.

Is that with or without EQ on Aurora? You mentioned in another thread you EQ it for more treble. I wouldn't imagine Aurora would be a top pick for metal otherwise, since it leans laid-back.

Got a shipment on the way with Butastur for loan

Looking forward to this.

You seem to enjoy lots of different sound sigs and music so I'm betting you're gonna dig it! Speaking of different types of music, this track really shows off Butastur with female vocals. And it isn't even one of the best tracks for that, but you do get Caroline Polachek, Grimes, and Dido on the same song.


Also, if Butastur had more bass it might distract from the mids on this track, so I maintain that there is still a benefit to having a more neutral bass. Butastur might lean slightly "thin" compared to some other stuff but there's also plenty of IEMs that are similarly lean or even thinner; Monarch MK2, EPZ 530, Sony EX1000(of the IEMs I currently own), Ety ER4, off the top of my head...Anyway, looking forward to your thoughts.

 

[firesign]

Is that with or without EQ on Aurora? You mentioned in another thread you EQ it for more treble. I wouldn't imagine Aurora would be a top pick for metal otherwise, since it leans laid-back.



You seem to enjoy lots of different sound sigs and music so I'm betting you're gonna dig it! Speaking of different types of music, this track really shows off Butastur with female vocals. And it isn't even one of the best tracks for that, but you do get Caroline Polachek, Grimes, and Dido on the same song.


Also, if Butastur had more bass it might distract from the mids on this track, so I maintain that there is still a benefit to having a more neutral bass. Butastur might lean slightly "thin" compared to some other stuff but there's also plenty of IEMs that are similarly lean or even thinner; Monarch MK2, EPZ 530, Sony EX1000(of the IEMs I currently own), Ety ER4, off the top of my head...Anyway, looking forward to your thoughts.

I only use the Aurora with EQ sometimes. When I compare 2 IEMs I do without any EQ, because it has to have sense for other people too.

As Leonard said in the AuR thread, if you increase the volume a bit, you can get a very similar level between Neon Pro and Aurora, having this one more subbass:

 

[zikarus]

If I have a faulty unit, both shells must have the same fault, because they both sound exactly the same. It is within the possible, but it seems unlikely to me. I have yet to test the unit of a friend who lives nearby.

I just think they are differences in tastes. For me, Painkiller sounds shrill and without any type of slam and punch in the bass and low mids. And Rust in Peace very similar. However they sound amazingly good with the Neon Pro.

Do you use the stock cable with your Butastur? Maybe try another cable with it (as I remember that I had issues with the stock ones plug)...

 

[firesign]

Do you use the stock cable with your Butastur? Maybe try another cable with it (as I remember that I had issues with the stock ones plug)...

I have tried some of my cables, yes, and I am using it with a Xinhs Coaxial 4.4 that I think is a good cable (one of my best cables, if not the best one).

 

[ANOpax]

I just don’t understand how an IEM can be right for one genre of music and not another. If Butastur plays acoustic music well then surely it has passed the litmus test of all good transducers.

If you don’t like the sound of metal out of Butastur then the metal mastering is at fault, not the IEM.

Time to adjust your tone controls.

 

[nikbr]

I love Butastur's replay of this Album. Give it a shot.

*Edit*
Here's one more:

 

[Uprox]

Time to adjust your tone controls.

I can't understand what do you mean.
Does it mean we must change own music style preferences to keep excellent turned IEM?

 

[ANOpax]

I can't understand what do you mean.
Does it mean we must change own music style preferences to keep excellent turned IEM?

No. It means that you need to use the tone controls or loudness button (eq) to get it sounding the way you want it rather than the way the mastering engineer intended it.

The whole obsession with freq response in IEM world is nothing more than an obsession with tone control.

Nowhere in the live music or full size hifi universe do you find this single minded focus on a two dimensional metric.

 

[ian91]

I just don’t understand how an IEM can be right for one genre of music and not another. If Butastur plays acoustic music well then surely it has passed the litmus test of all good transducers.

I think what is being implied is that Butasturs character, a function of its tonal and technical properties, does not satisfy some peoples preference for musicality in certain genres. Some may prefer macrodynamic detail over microdynamics, some like certain genres replayed with less/more bass/mid/treble emphasis.

It's all a matter of personal preference. Also, therefore, musicality in one genre does not imply musicality in another. In fact, I usually prefer less neutral (more bass, less treble) for metal than I do when listening to acoustic music when I need a cleaner bass and more treble emphasis.

The Butastur is an excellent IEM for me (and many others). Not everyone will jive with its revealing touch and more neutral tonality.

 

[ian91]

The whole obsession with freq response in IEM world is nothing more than an obsession with tone control.

There is more to an IEM than frequency response and tonality and so your solution to EQ is not a complete solution to deriving maximum enjoyment.

Besides, discovering what I enjoy through IEMs is more fun than it is by adjusting dials on EQ/tone control (although that can be somewhat informative and prove cheaper).

 

[Ferdinando1968]

I just don’t understand how an IEM can be right for one genre of music and not another. If Butastur plays acoustic music well then surely it has passed the litmus test of all good transducers.

If you don’t like the sound of metal out of Butastur then the metal mastering is at fault, not the IEM.

Time to adjust your tone controls.

No. It means that you need to use the tone controls or loudness button (eq) to get it sounding the way you want it rather than the way the mastering engineer intended it.

The whole obsession with freq response in IEM world is nothing more than an obsession with tone control.

Nowhere in the live music or full size hifi universe do you find this single minded focus on a two dimensional metric.

I didn't understand it either... but it's like that.
Too bad, because I might stop buying

Even using PEQ + AUTOEq you can't transform the sound of one IEM into another.
You can get an idea, but you can't transform the sound of one IEM into that of another.

On the other hand, even in the world of traditional hi-fi there are loudspeakers with their own musical 'character', which adapt to different listening tastes.
(the sound of B&W speakers is very different from that of Martin Logan speakers).

 

[Uprox]

Nowhere in the live music or full size hifi universe do you find this single minded focus on a two dimensional metric.

Thanks a lot for explaining. English is not my native language, sorry. So I don't know many idioms.
What do you mean "full size hifi universe"?

 

[Uprox]

My comments are going to clash a little with the rest of the thread, but in my case I am not very satisfied with Butastur.

I only listen to rock, progressive and metal, and it is certainly not the most suitable IEM for those styles.
Its sound is too thin, without body, without soul, completely sterile on most albums.
I've tried other styles and yes, it sounds much better. But in styles like heavy and metal in general... I'm sorry but no, it doesn't seem like a good option to me (bad for me and my wallet…).

I am trying to fix it with EQ, and I am getting some results. I will comment here on my results later, if I really think they are worth it.

I understand a long time ago for different music must be different IEM.
For heavy metal Shozy B2 is excellent for me.

 

[ANOpax]

I didn't understand it either... but it's like that.
Too bad, because I might stop buying

Even using PEQ + AUTOEq you can't transform the sound of one IEM into another.
You can get an idea, but you can't transform the sound of one IEM into that of another.

On the other hand, even in the world of traditional hi-fi there are loudspeakers with their own musical 'character', which adapt to different listening tastes.
(the sound of B&W speakers is very different from that of Martin Logan speakers).

Your experience proves the point - that there is more to music reproduction than a frequency response curve. That fact that you’ve eq’d two IEMs to the same curve but achieved different results shows that we are missing something.

Ian talks of macro and micro but I suspect there’s more to it than that.

However, I don’t know what the ‘more’ is (if I did, I’d be a rich man).

 

[ANOpax]

Thanks a lot for explaining. English is not my native language, sorry. So I don't know many idioms.
What do you mean "full size hifi universe"?

Full size hifi = loudspeakers