kiteki
aka Theta Alpha 1
aka Alpha Zeta 5
aka Alpha Zeta 6
aka Nanocat Systems
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Lol.
It's available again at $164 at sony.com (US).
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It's available again at $164 at sony.com (US).
Don't need two don't need two don't need two don't need two don't need two don't need two don't need two don't need two gaaaaaaaaah
Dead-RInger: I can't compare with iPods and such but the Z's sound is very rewarding; paring it with good headphones will of course make a big difference. The included headphones are decent but upgrading feels like lifting a veil over the music. My ATH-M50 sound great, as well as my XBA-4, although the latter do seem to depend a lot on the recording itself. Blonde Redhead's Not Getting There sounds amazing - and this is off exfm not even lossless...
Anyone find another option for a case beyond the usual suspects?
Cowon beat out the iPod quite thoroughly, and my Walkman Z out muscles my J3.
Makes me wonder, are they killing these off to bring some new walkmans in line.
50% off something this good, I dont remember any other mp3 player or other sony walkman with such a huge discount.
Maybe save the money to get the newer model (if there is one coming out soon).
For me, the Z series is the better sounding than the F even without equalization. It was more detailed and has more clarity & less bass than F series. Looks wise the Z is much better even for watching movies. Although the F has the advantage of playing FLAC, I have no advantage of listening to it while outside. For me mp3/flac sound the same in a noisy environment which even the best NC headphones cant cancel out.
You're making me excited. I don't get how everyone can like the Sony Z so much, it just seems to kill off everything, what does it do? Lol. Hurry up and arrive.
The Sony F stands for Flac? Lol, FLAC suxxx (there, I said it). Fill your DAP up with lossy, use lossyless at home.
The Z will will get the flac treatment in the coming 2 weeks.
I'm in agreement with you here.
It might be audiophile taboo, but I'm under the belief that the only audible difference between FLAC and MP3 is a few db difference in the volume leveling and nothing more.
This was an opinion formed after thorough back-to-back testing. FLAC is a complete waste for when you're on the go.
So we'll be getting ICS?
Where'd you hear that?
The Sony F stands for Flac? Lol, FLAC suxxx (there, I said it). Fill your DAP up with lossy, use lossyless at home.
I'm in agreement with you here.
It might be audiophile taboo, but I'm under the belief that the only audible difference between FLAC and MP3 is a few db difference in the volume leveling and nothing more.
This was an opinion formed after thorough back-to-back testing. FLAC is a complete waste for when you're on the go.
Originally Posted by purk /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well, you probably don't believe the benefits of LP & hirez either right? The difference b/w FLAC and 320 kbps are small but audible with good headphones. For me, the discerning differences are in soundstaging depth & imaging. The bass is also slightly firmer as well. Yes, in most portable listening it is overkill. However if you own really good earphones/headphones, those improvements can certainly be appreciated even unamped on the F, A, Z waklman.
ICS upgrade is anticipated for the Z some time in December. It was posted on Sony Japan Site.
Yeah, I like high-rez recordings, but mostly since the recording technique itself [expensive microphones, ADC, attention to detail etc.] was high-rez,
I think the DAC section, amp section, circuitry, firmware / software, and transducers (IEM's) used are more vital. I didn't really believe in differences in software before but now I do (I use uLilith, ftr), various codec decoding isn't really perfect either - http://www.underbit.com/resources/mpeg/audio/compliance/
Digital audio isn't 1's and 0's - http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/DigitalAudioJitter.html
However to defend lossless, I think ABX testing (the most common) tends to mask the differences in anything quite a bit - http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue56/abx.htm
...plus, there is already some psychoacoustic masking in the lossy codec.
I like the Sony R10 in your picture! Which IEM's do you use purk?
Well, you probably don't believe the benefits of LP & hirez either right? The difference b/w FLAC and 320 kbps are small but audible with good headphones. For me, the discerning differences are in soundstaging depth & imaging. The bass is also slightly firmer as well. Yes, in most portable listening it is overkill. However if you own really good earphones/headphones, those improvements can certainly be appreciated even unamped on the F, A, Z waklman.
ICS upgrade is anticipated for the Z some time in December. It was posted on Sony Japan Site.
Yeah, I like high-rez recordings, but mostly since the recording technique itself [expensive microphones, ADC, attention to detail etc.] was high-rez,
I think the DAC section, amp section, circuitry, firmware / software, and transducers (IEM's) used are more vital. I didn't really believe in differences in software before but now I do (I use uLilith, ftr), various codec decoding isn't really perfect either - http://www.underbit.com/resources/mpeg/audio/compliance/
Digital audio isn't 1's and 0's - http://www.madronadigital.com/Library/DigitalAudioJitter.html
However to defend lossless, I think ABX testing (the most common) tends to mask the differences in anything quite a bit - http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue56/abx.htm
...plus, there is already some psychoacoustic masking in the lossy codec.