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Dec 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM Post #196 of 212
 
Then headfi would be obsolete. Audiophiles would be a thing of the past.

 
And how is THAT a bad thing? Is your appreciation of music dependent upon believing that you're better than others? Would it not be a GOOD thing for audiophile-grade gear to be available to the masses? 
 
Then again, I suppose I'm not an audiophile in that I do not get a smug sense of superiority over others. 
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 9:21 AM Post #197 of 212
 
 
Then headfi would be obsolete. Audiophiles would be a thing of the past.

 
And how is THAT a bad thing? Is your appreciation of music dependent upon believing that you're better than others? Would it not be a GOOD thing for audiophile-grade gear to be available to the masses? 
 
Then again, I suppose I'm not an audiophile in that I do not get a smug sense of superiority over others. 

Audiophiles all take pride in their headphones. I love when I show people my headphones and I get the biggest grins on their face because they are so tied up in mainstream stuff. They just don't get that from iBuds.  No one can argue that audiophiles aren't superior to non-audiophiles just depends on the person whether or not they get cocky, boastful about it. And if you can confidently tell me that if you got a pair of HD800's that you wouldn't show them to your friends or family then my argument is invalid. If you take no pride in your cans then my argument is invalid.
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM Post #198 of 212
  Audiophiles all take pride in their headphones. I love when I show people my headphones and I get the biggest grins on their face because they are so tied up in mainstream stuff. They just don't get that from iBuds.  No one can argue that audiophiles aren't superior to non-audiophiles just depends on the person whether or not they get cocky, boastful about it. And if you can confidently tell me that if you got a pair of HD800's that you wouldn't show them to your friends or family then my argument is invalid. If you take no pride in your cans then my argument is invalid.

 
So basically you don't love sound, you love the feeling of arrogance you get at knowing that you're better than others. It just so happens you picked headphones.
 
I had some LCD-2's with a Lyr and a set of 1977 Vokhsod gray shields (sold them). I bought that instead of HD800s, which I could have just as easily gotten. I showed them to people because I think they sound amazing. I also have a pair of SE846's sitting on a chair next to me. I'm someone who has owned and does own $1000 headphones and who undoubtedly will own more in the future. TBH the main reason I sold the Audezes was I didn't like the clutter from the big amp/DAC/power supply.
 
What matters to me is listening to music. In fact, it bums me out that people can't get audiophile grade sound affordably. I wish they could, because then we could all enjoy our music at top quality. I get little satisfaction in the knowledge that top-level audio is beyond the reach of most of my friends. I wish it wasn't. I wish we could all get premiere gear for $150 at Best Buy. 
 
See, that's what separates you and me. I love listening to music. You love feeling like you're better than people.
 
 No one can argue that audiophiles aren't superior to non-audiophiles

 
I can. You're not superior to anyone, bub. In fact, someone who has this attitude is a level BELOW non-audiophiles in my book. Anyone who thinks they're better than anyone else just because they purchased something... sorry. Zero respect for that. 
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 12:48 PM Post #199 of 212
 
  Audiophiles all take pride in their headphones. I love when I show people my headphones and I get the biggest grins on their face because they are so tied up in mainstream stuff. They just don't get that from iBuds.  No one can argue that audiophiles aren't superior to non-audiophiles just depends on the person whether or not they get cocky, boastful about it. And if you can confidently tell me that if you got a pair of HD800's that you wouldn't show them to your friends or family then my argument is invalid. If you take no pride in your cans then my argument is invalid.

 
So basically you don't love sound, you love the feeling of arrogance you get at knowing that you're better than others. It just so happens you picked headphones.
 
I had some LCD-2's with a Lyr and a set of 1977 Vokhsod gray shields (sold them). I bought that instead of HD800s, which I could have just as easily gotten. I showed them to people because I think they sound amazing. I also have a pair of SE846's sitting on a chair next to me. I'm someone who has owned and does own $1000 headphones and who undoubtedly will own more in the future. TBH the main reason I sold the Audezes was I didn't like the clutter from the big amp/DAC/power supply.
 
What matters to me is listening to music. In fact, it bums me out that people can't get audiophile grade sound affordably. I wish they could, because then we could all enjoy our music at top quality. I get little satisfaction in the knowledge that top-level audio is beyond the reach of most of my friends. I wish it wasn't. I wish we could all get premiere gear for $150 at Best Buy. 
 
See, that's what separates you and me. I love listening to music. You love feeling like you're better than people.
 
 No one can argue that audiophiles aren't superior to non-audiophiles

 
I can. You're not superior to anyone, bub. In fact, someone who has this attitude is a level BELOW non-audiophiles in my book. Anyone who thinks they're better than anyone else just because they purchased something... sorry. Zero respect for that. 

Implying that I think I am better than people, or am arrogant, is a very wrong assumption. I think my headphones are better than the mainstream one sold on the market. I hardly consider myself an audiophile as I am far from that level of expertise. I'm not hear to listen to society and buy beats just because everyone else has them. If I didn't like music the why do you think i'm here?
 
For example why do people buy a Lamborghini. They don't just BUY a Lamborghini because they want to drive to work everyday at their 9-5 job. They buy it for the history, the style, the sound, the looks, the name. Do you think everyone should have the same job, same income, same car just so everyone can feel equal. That's just a socialistic view and is not how the world works. If everyone drove a lambo then it would soon be just that old Junker on the side of the road. If no one drove Junkers and this one guy did, that junker would soon be the "thing to have" even thought the lambo outclasses it. The same would happen with headphones. If everyone had the LCD-2's the they would soon go out of style.
 
Try not to get insulting as this was never my intention I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impressions.
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 1:24 PM Post #200 of 212
  Implying that I think I am better than people, or am arrogant, is a very wrong assumption. I think my headphones are better than the mainstream one sold on the market. I hardly consider myself an audiophile as I am far from that level of expertise. I'm not hear to listen to society and buy beats just because everyone else has them. If I didn't like music the why do you think i'm here?
 
For example why do people buy a Lamborghini. They don't just BUY a Lamborghini because they want to drive to work everyday at their 9-5 job. They buy it for the history, the style, the sound, the looks, the name. Do you think everyone should have the same job, same income, same car just so everyone can feel equal. That's just a socialistic view and is not how the world works. If everyone drove a lambo then it would soon be just that old Junker on the side of the road. If no one drove Junkers and this one guy did, that junker would soon be the "thing to have" even thought the lambo outclasses it. The same would happen with headphones. If everyone had the LCD-2's the they would soon go out of style.
 
Try not to get insulting as this was never my intention I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impressions.

 
What you're saying, though, is that your headphones should never be mass available. That you buy them because of how that places you above others. That REGARDLESS OF HOW THE LCD-2's SOUND, if they weren't "in style" you wouldn't own them. If the common plebeians could afford Audezes you wouldn't want them any more. That your enjoyment of your own headphones is intrinsically tied to whether or not someone ELSE can have them.
 
This is APPALLING.
 
Not only that, you're actively fighting against the notion of BETTER equipment being available for the common folk because it would somehow cheapen your feeling of superiority. You are actually UNHAPPY that other people can enjoy music at a high level. Pause and think about that.
 
If you buy a Lamborghini because you want to look down your nose at people with junkers, then right off the bat that makes you insecure and rather sad. If you buy a Lambo because you personally love how it looks and the craftsmanship, then good on ya. Some people will always spend money on whatever is the highest grade available. No matter what, there will always be cars, headphones, televisions, clothing, and computers that cost more than most people can possibly afford. If your goal in life is to buy expensive things simply because other people can't have them, then... good for you, I suppose. Maybe you should look into watches. At least with that there's no arguing that one is a "better watch" than another since functionally speaking there's no difference between a $10 Casio and a $75,000 Audemars Piguet Royal Oak (and in the smartphone era watches are pretty redundant anyway).
 
I bought a Charger because it looks awesome and is fun to drive. I don't care if anyone else has one. Actually a lot of people have Chargers, it's a pretty cliche muscle car in the US, and when I show it off it's because I am pleased with it. If you have a car that costs more, one that you like better, that doesn't make me enjoy my car less. Because I didn't buy it in order to be better than you.
 
The pursuit of summit-fi gear should be because you want to hear top-level audio, not because you want to hold your headphones up and drink in the tears of the peasantry who cannot afford them. You should buy headphones to maximize your enjoyment of music, not to assert your superiority as an audiophile. If you could get LCD-2's for $100? My lord I would be buying a pair for everyone I know and we'd throw Audeze Parties and compare music.
 
What you're doing is celebrating someone else's unhappiness because your happiness only exists in contrast to their lack thereof. This, ironically, makes me unhappy. Perhaps you'll find solace in that. 
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM Post #201 of 212
You still have the idea that people only buy expensive things just for the fun of "drinking in tears of pesantry". This is wrong. I buy expensive headphone because I enjoy the sound and I enjoy sharing it with others. Not being cocky.
 
Let me explain this in simpler terms as I don't think I made this clear while using the Lamborghini analogy.
 
 
If Lamborghini was a popular car company that the everyday mom drove then most of is value is lost because it is common. But because it is so exclusive it is considered to be the best in the world.
When people buy such a car it is not just for driving. It is a statement. If everyone drives that Lamborghini and owns one, it instantly loses its value to the point of being no more than a mom van. If mom vans were the exclusive things. The value on something that doesn't deserve it increases dramatically. This is the way the world works whether you like it or not.
 
 
The same goes for headphones. I'm actively fighting against the notion of better equipment being available for the common folk because would cheapen the actual  expensive products themselves. Its not a bad thing but if everyone has stellar audio then audiophiles are usless"" You are actually UNHAPPY that other people can enjoy music at a high level. Pause and think about that."" C'mon if I actually was unhappy with people enjoying music at a high level the why would I enjoy sharing my can with someone. Heck why would I be on this website.
 
 
 
 If LCD-2's were sold at $100 then everyone could stop searching for a good can, and headfi would become obsolete because it would no longer cater to audiophile and people who are looking for great audio. Everyone would be an audiophile.
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM Post #202 of 212
  You still have the idea that people only buy expensive things just for the fun of "drinking in tears of pesantry". This is wrong. I buy expensive headphone because I enjoy the sound and I enjoy sharing it with others. Not being cocky.
 
Let me explain this in simpler terms as I don't think I made this clear while using the Lamborghini analogy.
 
 
If Lamborghini was a popular car company that the everyday mom drove then most of is value is lost because it is common. But because it is so exclusive it is considered to be the best in the world.
When people buy such a car it is not just for driving. It is a statement. If everyone drives that Lamborghini and owns one, it instantly loses its value to the point of being no more than a mom van. If mom vans were the exclusive things. The value on something that doesn't deserve it increases dramatically. This is the way the world works whether you like it or not.
 
 
The same goes for headphones. I'm actively fighting against the notion of better equipment being available for the common folk because would cheapen the actual  expensive products themselves. Its not a bad thing but if everyone has stellar audio then audiophiles are usless"" You are actually UNHAPPY that other people can enjoy music at a high level. Pause and think about that."" C'mon if I actually was unhappy with people enjoying music at a high level the why would I enjoy sharing my can with someone. Heck why would I be on this website.
 
 
 
 If LCD-2's were sold at $100 then everyone could stop searching for a good can, and headfi would become obsolete because it would no longer cater to audiophile and people who are looking for great audio. Everyone would be an audiophile.

 
You enjoy sharing your cans with people because YOU have them and THEY don't. You have already stated that if they also had them, you wouldn't want them any more. That's how a child collects things. They want things that other people don't have and cease to want them the moment someone else has it. It's a five year old crying for a new toy and then not playing with it because the neighbor kid got one too.
 
If commonality "cheapens" expensive headphones then you're not an audiophile. Your a tech snob who wants things because they're expensive and shiny and not everyone can have them, not because they're good. That's like calling yourself a gamer and then yammering on about how much your computer cost. It's calling yourself a cinephile and talking about how much money you spent on your television and home theatre. It's putting all of your focus on exclusivity and the hardware and none on the thing you're supposedly so passionate about. If you were truly an audiophile, what would matter above all else is your ability to love audio.
 
Audio: sound
 
-phile: lover of
 
Audiophile: lover of sound
 
You keep using the Lambo analogy like that helps. All you're basically saying is "lots of insecure people buy expensive things for no reason beyond feeling superior, such as cars." I know. That's the problem. You're against the idea of people being able to afford good audio because it would rob you of the ability to feel like a special snowflake. You share your can with someone because you like that feeling it gives you when they realize that you have something better than what they have. You keep saying that exclusivity makes it the best. That doesn't even make sense. Exclusivity can make it the most EXPENSIVE, but a Lambo performs as well as it performs whether there's one of them or one million of them. Exclusivity and quality have nothing to do with one another.  
 
I wouldn't buy a Lambo even if they were cheap. I don't like them. I buy what I like because I like what it is. Exclusivity is irrelevant. Having money doesn't make you unique, interesting, or give you value. Audiophiles are useless already. Like I said, I bought a Dodge Charger, which is up there with the Mustang and Camaro in terms of cliche American sports/muscle cars. I didn't buy it because it's rare or because no one else CAN have it. I bought it because I liked it aesthetically and it drives well. It's like tattoos. People who say that everyone having tattoos cheapens the point of having them are essentially insecure little kids who do things solely on what is and isn't popular. I have a lot of tattoos and don't care how many other people have. You're covered? Awesome! None? Also fine! What matters is that you're getting what you have because of what it means for YOU.
 
If you're buying headphones for any reason, ANY REASON, other than you want to hear your music with the highest quality, then in my opinion you're a fake audiophile making the whole hobby look bad. True audiophiles are people who celebrate the idea of everyone getting good sound. Revel in the thought that hearing great music isn't limited to people who have more money. Embrace the possibility that someday people will compare what music they're listening to, not what they're listening ON. You want to stand out? Have good music tastes. Give a crap about the art of audio. Impress people by learning a lot about music and finding the best for you.
 
The fact that you keep tying "audiophile" in with expensive headphones says it all. You keep saying "everyone would be an audiophile". What does that even mean? 
 
I'm actually done with this now. I really do hope that when the day comes that audiophile-grade gear is more widely available you're enough of an adult not to throw away all of your gear and switch hobbies. 
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM Post #203 of 212
I'm a JessicaAlbaphile
 
Dec 11, 2014 at 11:37 PM Post #204 of 212
 
  You still have the idea that people only buy expensive things just for the fun of "drinking in tears of pesantry". This is wrong. I buy expensive headphone because I enjoy the sound and I enjoy sharing it with others. Not being cocky.
 
Let me explain this in simpler terms as I don't think I made this clear while using the Lamborghini analogy.
 
 
If Lamborghini was a popular car company that the everyday mom drove then most of is value is lost because it is common. But because it is so exclusive it is considered to be the best in the world.
When people buy such a car it is not just for driving. It is a statement. If everyone drives that Lamborghini and owns one, it instantly loses its value to the point of being no more than a mom van. If mom vans were the exclusive things. The value on something that doesn't deserve it increases dramatically. This is the way the world works whether you like it or not.
 
 
The same goes for headphones. I'm actively fighting against the notion of better equipment being available for the common folk because would cheapen the actual  expensive products themselves. Its not a bad thing but if everyone has stellar audio then audiophiles are usless"" You are actually UNHAPPY that other people can enjoy music at a high level. Pause and think about that."" C'mon if I actually was unhappy with people enjoying music at a high level the why would I enjoy sharing my can with someone. Heck why would I be on this website.
 
 
 
 If LCD-2's were sold at $100 then everyone could stop searching for a good can, and headfi would become obsolete because it would no longer cater to audiophile and people who are looking for great audio. Everyone would be an audiophile.

 
You enjoy sharing your cans with people because YOU have them and THEY don't. You have already stated that if they also had them, you wouldn't want them any more. That's how a child collects things. They want things that other people don't have and cease to want them the moment someone else has it. It's a five year old crying for a new toy and then not playing with it because the neighbor kid got one too.
 
If commonality "cheapens" expensive headphones then you're not an audiophile. Your a tech snob who wants things because they're expensive and shiny and not everyone can have them, not because they're good. That's like calling yourself a gamer and then yammering on about how much your computer cost. It's calling yourself a cinephile and talking about how much money you spent on your television and home theatre. It's putting all of your focus on exclusivity and the hardware and none on the thing you're supposedly so passionate about. If you were truly an audiophile, what would matter above all else is your ability to love audio.
 
Audio: sound
 
-phile: lover of
 
Audiophile: lover of sound
 
You keep using the Lambo analogy like that helps. All you're basically saying is "lots of insecure people buy expensive things for no reason beyond feeling superior, such as cars." I know. That's the problem. You're against the idea of people being able to afford good audio because it would rob you of the ability to feel like a special snowflake. You share your can with someone because you like that feeling it gives you when they realize that you have something better than what they have. You keep saying that exclusivity makes it the best. That doesn't even make sense. Exclusivity can make it the most EXPENSIVE, but a Lambo performs as well as it performs whether there's one of them or one million of them. Exclusivity and quality have nothing to do with one another.  
 
I wouldn't buy a Lambo even if they were cheap. I don't like them. I buy what I like because I like what it is. Exclusivity is irrelevant. Having money doesn't make you unique, interesting, or give you value. Audiophiles are useless already. Like I said, I bought a Dodge Charger, which is up there with the Mustang and Camaro in terms of cliche American sports/muscle cars. I didn't buy it because it's rare or because no one else CAN have it. I bought it because I liked it aesthetically and it drives well. It's like tattoos. People who say that everyone having tattoos cheapens the point of having them are essentially insecure little kids who do things solely on what is and isn't popular. I have a lot of tattoos and don't care how many other people have. You're covered? Awesome! None? Also fine! What matters is that you're getting what you have because of what it means for YOU.
 
If you're buying headphones for any reason, ANY REASON, other than you want to hear your music with the highest quality, then in my opinion you're a fake audiophile making the whole hobby look bad. True audiophiles are people who celebrate the idea of everyone getting good sound. Revel in the thought that hearing great music isn't limited to people who have more money. Embrace the possibility that someday people will compare what music they're listening to, not what they're listening ON. You want to stand out? Have good music tastes. Give a crap about the art of audio. Impress people by learning a lot about music and finding the best for you.
 
The fact that you keep tying "audiophile" in with expensive headphones says it all. You keep saying "everyone would be an audiophile". What does that even mean? 
 
I'm actually done with this now. I really do hope that when the day comes that audiophile-grade gear is more widely available you're enough of an adult not to throw away all of your gear and switch hobbies. 

With your argument every person who has a pair of $2 ear buds is an audiophile? An audiophile is a person enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction. What is enthusiasm its is the intense and eager enjoyment, interest, or approval of said headphone or other object. Whether you like it or not many people feel pride in their headphones, and rightly so. Whether you like it or not summit-fi headphones aren't just for listining they are a statement of the commitment to such a high level of sound. And if you honestly take no pride in that commitment then it is smashed into little bits of useless sound. When $2 headphones that some teenager buys at dollar general have a summit-fi sound darn tootin I'm gonna get pissy. Not about the fact that the audio is great but that this teenager is clueless about the sound, they made no commitment, they could care less about it. They blindly run out and get the new greatest pair of beats just because everyone else has them. It means nothing, to them the sound is irrelevant it is just "I got the new beats so now I "instantly fit in".
 
 
This is somewhat of what I am talking about. This is a tidbit of the review the Orpheus. Possibly the summit of summit-fi audio.
 
""In a blind test which I performed on ten fellow classical musicians, which included the HD800, HD650 and LCD-3, the Orpheus did not outperform these counterparts to a significant level. In fact, a lot of them preferred the LCD-3 and HD650 over the Orpheus and the HD800. After the blind tests, I revealed all the headphones (the participants were blindfolded at first) and asked them to try these models again. As expected, the Orpheus gained unanimous approval after the visual stimuli.""
 
 
Whether you like it or not headphones are not just something to enjoy personally they are a statement that audiophile gives to the immense and passionate pursuit of summit-fi audio.
 
Dec 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM Post #205 of 212
  With your argument every person who has a pair of $2 ear bud is an audiophile? An audiophile is a person enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction. What is enthusiasm  it is the intense and eager enjoyment, interest, or approval of said headphone or other object. Whether you like it or not many people feel pride in their headphones, and rightly so. Whether you like it or not summit-fi headphones aren't just for listening, they are a statement of the commitment to such a high level of sound. And if you honestly take no pride in that commitment then it is smashed into little bits of useless sound. When $2 headphones that some teenager buys at dollar general have a summit-fi sound darn tootin I'm gonna get pissy. Not about the fact that the audio "is great" but that These people are clueless about sound, they made no commitment, they could care less about it. They blindly run out and get the new greatest pair of beats just because everyone else has them. It means nothing, to them the sound is irrelevant it is just "I got the new beats so now I'm instantly popular"
 
 
This is somewhat of what i am talking about. This is a tidbit of the review the Orpheus. Possibly the summit of summit-fi audio.
 
??In a blind test which I performed on ten fellow classical musicians, which included the HD800, HD650 and LCD-3, the Orpheus did not outperform these counterparts to a significant level. In fact, a lot of them preferred the LCD-3 and HD650 over the Orpheus and the HD800. After the blind tests, I revealed all the headphones (the participants were blindfolded at first) and asked them to try these models again. As expected, the Orpheus gained unanimous approval after the visual stimuli.""
 
 
Whether you like it or not headphones are not just something to enjoy personally they are a statement that audiophile gives to the immense and passionate pursuit of summit-fi audio.

 

 
 
 
However:
 "I got the new beats so now I'm instantly popular"

 
Let's fix that: "I got the new beats so now I fit in!"  Oh normals and their "fitting-in" dependency. 
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Dec 18, 2014 at 2:20 PM Post #207 of 212
  ... I had a pair of dna's that sounded good with an amp and without one but then the ear cup cover split ...

YES!  I had the same problem.  Tempted to try to glue them back together.  Any advice?
 
Dec 18, 2014 at 7:14 PM Post #208 of 212
"Ear cup cover"?  Pics?
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 3:49 PM Post #209 of 212
"Ear cup cover"?  Pics?


I was looking for them to take some pictures. Turns out my wife returned them to Best Buy (she had purchased the 2 year protection plan), and got me replacement cans for Christmas. So I don't have them to take pictures of.

But basically the glue that held the faux leather ear cups together almost completely failed after about a year and the cups fell apart.
 
Dec 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM Post #210 of 212
I was looking for them to take some pictures. Turns out my wife returned them to Best Buy (she had purchased the 2 year protection plan), and got me replacement cans for Christmas. So I don't have them to take pictures of.

But basically the glue that held the faux leather ear cups together almost completely failed after about a year and the cups fell apart.

 
I think you meant just the earpads as the cups are sealed with both glue and screws.  The earpads tend to be crappy on Monster stuff and start to fall apart sooner than many other brands.  Once your protection plan expires, use bits of super glue to re-attach the faux leather, or pleather as many of us call it, to the elastic band that secures them to the cups.
 
You can see the smooth elastic band coming into view in this picture that secures the earpads of this headset to the cups; DNA earpads are removable/replaceable in this fashion as well, most headphones are like that.  Another example.
So you glue the faux leather to that elastic band.  You have to pull the earpads off first carefully to do it.
 

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