[icehole]

Yeah, i have always felt there is something missing btn mid bass and higher treble.  A bump around the 5-8khz would actually be nice i think.

 

[jerg]

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Hmm.  I don't think i would mind a small bump in treble.  Think i have the rev 2 and treble is much more sparkly than my senns, but not overpowering. 
 
Wonder why they swap drivers so much for the he400s.  They have not been out that long right?

 
Rev1 drivers were almost all defective or timebombs waiting to become defective. Rev2 drivers were the first ones to be at least cautiously reliable, although there are isolated cases of failing still (e.g. me). It would make sense that they go ahead and try to tweak the build of the driver further. Defective headphones cause both the manufacturer and customer ends to lose money, no one wants that.

 

[Mad Lust Envy]

Kinda mad about my NFB-5 getting like 3 revisions just after a few months of owning it. :rolleyes:

Though it's all been for the USB, which I don't even use.

 

[jerg]

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I wonder which part of the treble they bumped.  I wouldn't mind a slight bump around 5-8khz, but I wouldn't want an even larger spike at 10-14khz.

 
5-8kHz? It's actually really strong there, almost a peak, with the center at 7kHz, according to my sinewave sweeps.

 

[icehole]

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Rev1 drivers were almost all defective or timebombs waiting to become defective. Rev2 drivers were the first ones to be at least cautiously reliable, although there are isolated cases of failing still (e.g. me). It would make sense that they go ahead and try to tweak the build of the driver further. Defective headphones cause both the manufacturer and customer ends to lose money, no one wants that.

Oh i didn't know that rev1 had issues.  Glad they got that fixed, for the most part. 

 

[Mad Lust Envy]

Yeah, Rev. 1 was a mess.

 

[icehole]

So I am just wondering, being relatively new to head-fi.  These cans (he400s) and hd650s would typically be considered around the mid-fi level.  Does bumping up to hi-fi level i.e. he6, lcd2 really make a big difference?  I mean I read somewhere that someone suggested that difference was only during critical listening.  So my question is, does the real difference warrant the escalation in price?

 

[TwinQY]

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So I am just wondering, being relatively new to head-fi.  These cans (he400s) and hd650s would typically be considered around the mid-fi level.  Does bumping up to hi-fi level i.e. he6, lcd2 really make a big difference?  I mean I read somewhere that someone suggested that difference was only during critical listening.  So my question is, does the real difference warrant the escalation in price?

It's all relative. Diminishing returns, blah, blah. It'd be easy to hear differences in sound signatures, though. Hard to find someone who wouldn't be able to hear a difference between the LCD-3 and say, the Q701s.

 

[jerg]

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So I am just wondering, being relatively new to head-fi.  These cans (he400s) and hd650s would typically be considered around the mid-fi level.  Does bumping up to hi-fi level i.e. he6, lcd2 really make a big difference?  I mean I read somewhere that someone suggested that difference was only during critical listening.  So my question is, does the real difference warrant the escalation in price?

 
There is no generalizing answer to that. I've auditioned HE500, HE6, LCD2 and LCD3, and really the HE400s stood their ground quite well still. The only one out of those that was a straight upgrade (in terms of enjoyment and refinement) to my ears was LCD3. The other ones all had their quirks - HE500 bass didn't satisfy, HE6 was almost too fast and bright, LCD2r1 way too dark and cupped, LCD2r2 a bit too forward for my preference.

 

[icehole]

Yeah I had been wondering b/c reading reviews about the hd800s indicate they are a little harsh on treble.  What? I thought these were the penultimate in senn sound.  For 1500 i want something that will jump off my head and slap me in the face before returning to a comfortable resting position.
 
Talking with some they indicate that the he6 is the end.  Get those and I will not want for more, but who knows.  Also could jump into electrostats, but the price also jumps astronomically.

 

[jerg]

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Yeah I had been wondering b/c reading reviews about the hd800s indicate they are a little harsh on treble.  What? I thought these were the penultimate in senn sound.  For 1500 i want something that will jump off my head and slap me in the face before returning to a comfortable resting position.
 
Talking with some they indicate that the he6 is the end.  Get those and I will not want for more, but who knows.  Also could jump into electrostats, but the price also jumps astronomically.

Yuck I hated HD800s' sound with a passion. Sure it had great extension and a very holographic soundstage, but it didn't have any "grounding" unlike the planars, so everything sounds floaty and anemic, lacking in body.

 

[TwinQY]

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Yeah I had been wondering b/c reading reviews about the hd800s indicate they are a little harsh on treble.  What? I thought these were the penultimate in senn sound.  For 1500 i want something that will jump off my head and slap me in the face before returning to a comfortable resting position.
 
Talking with some they indicate that the he6 is the end.  Get those and I will not want for more, but who knows.  Also could jump into electrostats, but the price also jumps astronomically.

Go to a live concert, get drunk, and go up to whoever's performing and throw a shoe at them. Gets you the same experience, and it's a lot cheaper than 1500 quids.

 

[icehole]

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Go to a live concert, get drunk, and go up to whoever's performing and throw a shoe at them. Gets you the same experience, and it's a lot cheaper than 1500 quids.

Hahahah, been there done that.  I mean i come from the world of car audio, where bass really moves you.  I initially started this head-fi stuff since my current car cannot be equipped with the sound system I would like.  In the pursuit I have graduated from being a sole bass head to enjoying some nice mids.  It was what I was missing.
 
I just don't know how much i buy into buying ridiculosusly expensive amps and headphones to have a great set up.  I do have the typical head-fi paranoia though, "what am i missing"?  Just wondering how much better the top could be compared to the mid. 

 

[Guess?]

Oh, that's nice, for two months I wonder should I buy a pair, and when I got the e-mail "We’re happy to inform that your order #12091837135801390265 has been shipped via USPS Package." BAM! we changed the drivers a bit hahah. Well we'll see how that sounds, and imagine what fun it would be if the two pairs I've ordered come in two different revisions rev 2 & rev 3...
 

 

[Hedonism]

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629253/head-direct-hifiman-customer-service-team/15#post_8735916
 
It seems like Hifiman is denying any SQ differences to the driver update? They claim that the changes were to improve durability only.