New Beyerdynamic T5p 2nd generation

[Mad Max]

   
I have tested the original T5p but it was a long time ago and I reflected some of it in my T5p v2 review, but only going by memory and definitely prefer v2 bass and smoother top end. Sorry, never tried the original A2kX...  Still puzzled why they didn't implement replacement cables in A2kZ, bad move

 
I was satisfied with T5p v1's bass and treble out of a desktop amplifier [only], but the midrange was always too flabby and unrefined versus all of my other headphones.  Too bad you couldn't do a side-by-side comparison.
I hope v2 is a big improvement.

 

[TimeLord]

  Well,they have to be portable in that way that i can use them with an oppo-ha2.And also that they isolate well,so i can use them in an car where the driver plays music on the cars stereo,and i on my headphones.The audio technica ath msr 7 was a total disaster it that way.The size and weight isnt that important,as long as they are comfortable.

 

  Ps: I also likes rock,pop,classical,indie,metal,folk,...... So i think a headphone that works great on all genres would be something for my taste.

Ok, so I did a bit of research that may be helpful to you. I paired the Oppo HA-2 with the MrSpeakers Alpha Prime and the original T5p and here's what I found:
 
The HA-2 is mated to my old iPhone 5S running iAudioGate playing 44.1kHZ/16 bit FLAC files. I played a variety of music from Hip-Hop, EDM, Rock, Alternative to Jazz and Pop.
 
The HA-2 had no problem driving the Alpha Prime while using the high gain setting. The Alpha Prime sounded good. The HA-2 tamed the somewhat peaky highs, the mids were present and somewhat forward, and there was plenty of bass but it did not encroach into the mids. The Alpha Prime isolates very well, but the price for the isolation is a small soundstage.
 
The T5p is obviously very easy to drive and the low gain setting was more than enough. The T5p sounded great out of the HA-2. There were no surprises. It has the great soundstage (for closed headphones), the clear vocals and the impressive highs that are never sibilant. On the negative side, the bass is missing and they do leak sound and do not isolate that well. Interestingly, using the HA-2's bass boost, the low end wakes up and makes the T5p's much more enjoyable while listening to Hip-Hop. Overall, the bass did not intrude into the mids much. However, I'd use the bass boost selectively for Hip-Hop and EDM and would probably leave it off for other genres.
 
One last thing, if you wanted to order the Alpha Primes, MrSpeakers ships worlwide, so you're covered there.
 
Here are a couple of pictures that may be helpful for comparing how the Alpha Prime will look like with the HA-2 versus the T5p.
 

 

[scarfacegt]

   

Ok, so I did a bit of research that may be helpful to you. I paired the Oppo HA-2 with the MrSpeakers Alpha Prime and the original T5p and here's what I found:
 
The HA-2 is mated to my old iPhone 5S running iAudioGate playing 44.1kHZ/16 bit FLAC files. I played a variety of music from Hip-Hop, EDM, Rock, Alternative to Jazz and Pop.
 
The HA-2 had no problem driving the Alpha Prime while using the high gain setting. The Alpha Prime sounded good. The HA-2 tamed the somewhat peaky highs, the mids were present and somewhat forward, and there was plenty of bass but it did not encroach into the mids. The Alpha Prime isolates very well, but the price for the isolation is a small soundstage.
 
The T5p is obviously very easy to drive and the low gain setting was more than enough. The T5p sounded great out of the HA-2. There were no surprises. It has the great soundstage (for closed headphones), the clear vocals and the impressive highs that are never sibilant. On the negative side, the bass is missing and they do leak sound and do not isolate that well. Interestingly, using the HA-2's bass boost, the low end wakes up and makes the T5p's much more enjoyable while listening to Hip-Hop. Overall, the bass did not intrude into the mids much. However, I'd use the bass boost selectively for Hip-Hop and EDM and would probably leave it off for other genres.
 
One last thing, if you wanted to order the Alpha Primes, MrSpeakers ships worlwide, so you're covered there.
 
Here are a couple of pictures that may be helpful for comparing how the Alpha Prime will look like with the HA-2 versus the T5p.
 

Thank you for your help Great pictures  Both headphones looks nice,but i hold a button on t5p regards to design    I have tried the bass bost on the shure se846 when i used the spinfits tip ( the spinfits made the bass dissapear somehow), and the bass did came back a litlle bit,without messing up for the mids/treble.So it defintly a function that works,and not only an gimmick.I listen a littlebitt to edm,mostly old trance or electronica from the 90s-00s,but im 36 yeays old,so my music taste varies alot.And maybe the t5p would be an safer buy for me,regards to my future music taste.Getting old you know.Lol

 

[GoSUV]

I have owned the original T5p for about 5 years and am very familiar with their sound, and have just picked up a pair of T5p Gen 2 from Amazon. Initial impression of the Gen 2 is, this is what the original should have been, as Beyer has finally fixed the issue of the original, including adding removable cables as a feature.
 
The original T5p was supposed to be the end game closed back headphone, but being slightly bass light, lacking in quantity (but not quality), as well as shouty highs (but not sibilant), that knocked off some points. The Gen 2 is close to perfect, as the extra bass presence is tastefully done right, and removing the shouty highs now means the headphones are as enjoyable as ever. The detail, transparency, layering and dynamics - the hallmarks of the original - are still there, and finally I found my end game closed back headphone.
 
I have only put a few hours on them, but I can just imagine when it is fully settled in, how good it will sound.

 

[scarfacegt]

How

I have owned the original T5p for about 5 years and am very familiar with their sound, and have just picked up a pair of T5p Gen 2 from Amazon. Initial impression of the Gen 2 is, this is what the original should have been, as Beyer has finally fixed the issue of the original, including adding removable cables as a feature.

The original T5p was supposed to be the end game closed back headphone, but being slightly bass light, lacking in quantity (but not quality), as well as shouty highs (but not sibilant), that knocked off some points. The Gen 2 is close to perfect, as the extra bass presence is tastefully done right, and removing the shouty highs now means the headphones are as enjoyable as ever. The detail, transparency, layering and dynamics - the hallmarks of the original - are still there, and finally I found my end game closed back headphone.

I have only put a few hours on them, but I can just imagine when it is fully settled in, how good it will sound.
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How do you think they work with edm and rock/metal music

 

[plakat]

  Saw a review of the dt1770 pro,and it was perfect for edm,rock,rap,and so on.Maybe the the dt1770 pro is a better option for my music taste.A warmer sound and deeper/more bass than the t5p?   I`ve also read a little about the shure srh 1540 (looks like an good allrounder,but bad isolation)

The DT1770 is an interesting option, yes. It has a bit more midbass, making bass overall a bit more present but I would not say that it goes deeper. The DT1770 has smoother treble, not dark, but definitely not aggressive. Quite efficient, should not be a problem with the HA2. You might want to get a shorter cable though... those for the AKG K7xx series can be used with the DT1770.

 

[scarfacegt]

The DT1770 is an interesting option, yes. It has a bit more midbass, making bass overall a bit more present but I would not say that it goes deeper. The DT1770 has smoother treble, not dark, but definitely not aggressive. Quite efficient, should not be a problem with the HA2. You might want to get a shorter cable though... those for the AKG K7xx series can be used with the DT1770.

how is the isolation of the dt1770?

 

[scarfacegt]

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/29/11255162/beyerdynamic-new-t5p-headphones-review-price-design

Looks like the isolation of the T5p is rater poor :/

 

[plakat]

how is the isolation of the dt1770?

The DT1770 may isolate a bit more than the T5p2. They come with two sets of pads (velour and pleather, the latter met give an even better seal) and the clamping force is a hit higher.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/29/11255162/beyerdynamic-new-t5p-headphones-review-price-design

Looks like the isolation of the T5p is rater poor :/

No, I don't think so. It's always a question of what one wants to accomplish of course... But if isolation is of utmost importance, sealed IEMs like the SE846 are the way to go.

Still I had my wife unexpectedly standing besides me several times already, scaring me quite a bit -- I did not hear her coming home and into my room. Wearing the T5p2 I don't hear her calling from the next room either. And I don't listen loud.

 

[TokenGesture]

Leakage is my worry, only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger

 

[TexasBuck]

Leakage is my worry, only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger

They definitely leak sound.  They isolate well though.  I can't hear much around me.  With my T1, my wife knows what I'm listening to in the next room.  With the T5P, she hears noise but can't tell what I'm listening to in the same room.

 

[TimeLord]

They definitely leak sound.  They isolate well though.  I can't hear much around me.  With my T1, my wife knows what I'm listening to in the next room.  With the T5P, she hears noise but can't tell what I'm listening to in the same room.

From everything that I've read, the T5p and T5p.2 are equal in terms of isolation and sound leakage. When I did the tests on the T5p, see above post, I used my iPhone's voice memo app to record the noise in the room while wearing the T5p and playing music through the Oppo HA-2. The volume on the HA-2 was set between 2 and 3 on low gain setting, depending on the track being played. So not very loud. I then played back my recording to see how much sound had leaked. I could clearly hear what music I was playing on the T5p. If you've ever used the iPhone's voice memo app, you'll know that it's not the best at picking up ambient noise, so that tells me the music leaking out of the T5p is quite significant if a human was in proximity. As for the isolation, that needs to be checked while there is no music playing, since the music will drown out any outside noise. I have flown with the T5p many times and the airplane noise is hardly muted. It's better than nothing, but definitely not ideal.

Personally, I like my T5p, which is why I have hung on to them. I'm ok with their limitations.

Simply put, the T5p compromises isolation and sound leakage to achieve the airiness and large soundstage it has. And as long as that's a trade you're willing to make, that's not a problem; however, if the sound leakage will affect those around you, then these headphones are not for you.

 

[esm87]

Anyone got experience with A&K t5p vs t5p 2nd gen?

 

[twister6]

 

They definitely leak sound.  They isolate well though.  I can't hear much around me.  With my T1, my wife knows what I'm listening to in the next room.  With the T5P, she hears noise but can't tell what I'm listening to in the same room.

From everything that I've read, the T5p and T5p.2 are equal in terms of isolation and sound leakage. When I did the tests on the T5p, see above post, I used my iPhone's voice memo app to record the noise in the room while wearing the T5p and playing music through the Oppo HA-2. The volume on the HA-2 was set between 2 and 3 on low gain setting, depending on the track being played. So not very loud. I then played back my recording to see how much sound had leaked. I could clearly hear what music I was playing on the T5p. If you've ever used the iPhone's voice memo app, you'll know that it's not the best at picking up ambient noise, so that tells me the music leaking out of the T5p is quite significant if a human was in proximity. As for the isolation, that needs to be checked while there is no music playing, since the music will drown out any outside noise. I have flown with the T5p many times and the airplane noise is hardly muted. It's better than nothing, but definitely not ideal.

Personally, I like my T5p, which is why I have hung on to them. I'm ok with their limitations.

Simply put, the T5p compromises isolation and sound leakage to achieve the airiness and large soundstage it has. And as long as that's a trade you're willing to make, that's not a problem; however, if the sound leakage will affect those around you, then these headphones are not for you.

 
I did exactly the same test using my Note 4 and some memo recording app, and the results were similar.  Anywhere 2-3 feet away people can hear the music clear, while further back it becomes a leaking noise.  Regarding sound isolation, it will probably depend on the shape of your head.  Keep in mind, Beyer earcups are perfectly round and T5p.2 earpads are on a thinner side.  If they go over your ears and hug your round head with a decent clamping force - you will get a good seal with a perfect isolation.  Egg shaped heads will be in trouble, and anything in between will vary

 
Actually, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  I'm waiting to receive a replacement pads from ebay, some deep cushy ones, and will report back on the fitment and sound changes.  BUT the real solution might come from @PETEREK who is well known on head-fi for modding full size cans and making custom cables.  He tried one specific mod with his original T5p and might be able to reduce sound leakage without altering sound signature too much.  Once I get my replacement earpads, I will take one for the team so he can use his modding magic on T5p.2

 

[TimeLord]

I did exactly the same test using my Note 4 and some memo recording app, and the results were similar.  Anywhere 2-3 feet away people can hear the music clear, while further back it becomes a leaking noise.  Regarding sound isolation, it will probably depend on the shape of your head.  Keep in mind, Beyer earcups are perfectly round and T5p.2 earpads are on a thinner side.  If they go over your ears and hug your round head with a decent clamping force - you will get a good seal with a perfect isolation.  Egg shaped heads will be in trouble, and anything in between will vary

Actually, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  I'm waiting to receive a replacement pads from ebay, some deep cushy ones, and will report back on the fitment and sound changes.  BUT the real solution might come from @PETEREK
who is well known on head-fi for modding full size cans and making custom cables.  He tried one specific mod with his original T5p and might be able to reduce sound leakage without altering sound signature too much.  Once I get my replacement earpads, I will take one for the team so he can use his modding magic on T5p.2

Today I learned my head is not perfectly round. Lol

I'll wait to hear how your new earpads perform. Let us know where you got them, if they turn out to be affective.