[Beagle]

Obviously, just very odd though?
Probably just following our real estate market.

Compared to the US, everything monetary is pretty much worthless in Canada now. Except for lodging in Toronto and Vancouver

 

[Not so fat head]

Compared to the NDH-30, it has too much and too distorted bass for me. Doesn't sound as high quality and tasteful.

Sure, and it shouldn’t sound the same as the 30’s. I paid $190 for the 560S, and considered them to be an amazing bargain!!

 

[maegnificant]

Sure, and it shouldn’t sound the same as the 30’s. I paid $190 for the 560S, and considered them to be an amazing bargain!!

That they are, I paid 150 for them. You could have had mine on the classifieds for 110+ shipping

 

[Maxpain]

This weekend I am going to audition the ndh30's and If I like them I will be getting them.

Now I would like to run them balanced from my zen can signature because its SE output definitely degrades quality (not just volume)....tested with the 660s which doesn't require much power...at least to my ears....

Now there are various 3.5 to 4.4 adapters out there.....

Would it be a good idea to run the ndh30's with their stock cable with such an adapter to my 4.4 balanced output of zen can?

Would that work and if so....would I be getting anything better assuming zen can is designed to sound better through that output? I don't mean power but cleaner sound as hd660s sounds so much cleaner on that output

 

[supadupaninja]

Would it be a good idea to run the ndh30's with their stock cable with such an adapter to my 4.4 balanced output of zen can?

Despite beeing balanced able on the 2,5mm side there is an usual TRS pinout on the 3,5mm plug. They will not turn balanced by using an 4,4mm adapter. I dont know the zen can but worst case if it has no portection circuit in it is that your balanced output break due to short circuit.

 

[MayorSimpleton]

This weekend I am going to audition the ndh30's and If I like them I will be getting them.

Now I would like to run them balanced from my zen can signature because its SE output definitely degrades quality (not just volume)....tested with the 660s which doesn't require much power...at least to my ears....

Now there are various 3.5 to 4.4 adapters out there.....

Would it be a good idea to run the ndh30's with their stock cable with such an adapter to my 4.4 balanced output of zen can?

Would that work and if so....would I be getting anything better assuming zen can is designed to sound better through that output? I don't mean power but cleaner sound as hd660s sounds so much cleaner on that output

If It understand you correctly, I hate to say it but you can’t do that, it’s possible that you could damage the amp.

 

[Maxpain]

I don't want to get balanced signal from the stock cable....I want to use the 4.4 output of the zen can with a 3.5 to 4.4 adapter.


For example ifi has one...their advertisement said that someone can use that if they want to connect 3.5 cables to 4.4 dac/amps.......

I am not familiar with any technicalities that is why I am asking that. Sadly the SE output of the zen can is significantly worse than the 4.4 one.....

 

[Vitaliy Belz]

I want to use the 4.4 output of the zen can with a 3.5 to 4.4 adapter.
I am not familiar with any technicalities that is why I am asking that.

Please don’t be offended by me, but writing something like this in the 21st century is medieval.
The simplest circuit of five wires, and in your example even four and two speakers (drivers), confuses modern people. It seems to me that humanity in its evolution turned back.

 

[MayorSimpleton]

You can’t, or should I say shouldn’t, try to connect a balanced output to a single ended pair of headphones. You can go the other way and connect a single ended output to balanced headphones.

The NDH30 are internally balanced, but the cable is singled ended. If you buy (for example) a 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male adapter, you risk damaging the amp. I hope I have understood you correctly.

FWIW there is no such thing as ‘degraded’ single ended as output vs balanced. They are just different topologies, but it just so happens that balanced puts out more power. More power generally means louder, which some folk mistake for ‘better’.

The Neumanns will run quite happily single-ended so long as the amp has enough power, and I don’t know your ifi device, but I would image it has plenty enough juice single ended for you to be able to make an informed decision on them. The NHD30 are not particularly hard to drive.

 

[ThEvil0nE]

I don't want to get balanced signal from the stock cable....I want to use the 4.4 output of the zen can with a 3.5 to 4.4 adapter.


For example ifi has one...their advertisement said that someone can use that if they want to connect 3.5 cables to 4.4 dac/amps.......

I am not familiar with any technicalities that is why I am asking that. Sadly the SE output of the zen can is significantly worse than the 4.4 one.....

No such thing as it connects via 2.5mm BAL and terminated to 3.5mm SE and can not be re-terminated to any BAL via adapter. Your option is to get their BAL cable or have one custom made from companies like HART.

 

[Maxpain]

Please don’t be offended by me, but writing something like this in the 21st century is medieval.
The simplest circuit of five wires, and in your example even four and two speakers (drivers), confuses modern people. It seems to me that humanity in its evolution turned back.

As I said I am not familiar with any of that...

 

[Vitaliy Belz]

As I said I am not familiar with any of that...

Sorry again for my tactlessness.

 

[Maxpain]

You can’t, or should I say shouldn’t, try to connect a balanced output to a single ended pair of headphones. You can go the other way and connect a single ended output to balanced headphones.

The NDH30 are internally balanced, but the cable is singled ended. If you buy (for example) a 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male adapter, you risk damaging the amp. I hope I have understood you correctly.

FWIW there is no such thing as ‘degraded’ single ended as output vs balanced. They are just different topologies, but it just so happens that balanced puts out more power.

The Neumanns will run quite happily single-ended so long as the amp has enough power, and I don’t know your ifi device, but I would image it has plenty enough juice single ended for you to be able to make an informed decision on them. The NHD30 are not particularly hard to drive.

No such thing as it connects via 2.5mm BAL and terminated to 3.5mm SE and can not be re-terminated to any BAL via adapter. Your option is to get their BAL cable or have one custom made from companies like HART.

https://ifi-audio.com/products/headphone-adapter-3-5mm-to-4-4mm/


This is the adapter I am talking about...

 

[Maxpain]

Sorry again for my tactlessness.

I am not offended....just not answering anything would seem as I ignored your post which I didn't

 

[ThEvil0nE]

https://ifi-audio.com/products/headphone-adapter-3-5mm-to-4-4mm/


This is the adapter I am talking about...

I'm not even sure why Ifi decided to make those unless they are made specifically with one of their ifi amplifiers but still, I don't think that's possible. There are 3.5mm BAL out there like that of the Shanling M0 Pro which I have a 3.5mm BAL to 4.4mm BAL adapter.

BAL to SE possible
SE to BAL likely to be impossible