MSB Analog DAC? (Review p3)

[Beolab]

Last I heard which was 2 months ago - MSB had no plans for a new Analog DAC.

The Signature V is simultaneously the most accurate, realistic and "musical" DAC I've heard. We had more than a few WOW moments at home with the stack (which did happen with the Analog DAC too) and I am really glad it's still here. I am trying to find time to compile all my notes into a lengthier impressions post. 

Im about to place a order on a MSB Analog and i have not decided if il also go for the upgraded power plant if i gain anything or is it mostly looks and small benefit?
Then the Quad DSD USB module:
Do you think i would gain any improvment with my new Regen, because the Regen disconnect the 5volt signal to the USB module, and from what i think that will improve the signal from signal distortion or what is your opinion ?

 

[joeexp]

Oh boy  - you want to spent thousands on an USB Module and you think the $175 Regen is going to make a difference .... ???
 

 

 

[negura]

Im about to place a order on a MSB Analog and i have not decided if il also go for the upgraded power plant if i gain anything or is it mostly looks and small benefit?
Then the Quad DSD USB module:
Do you think i would gain any improvment with my new Regen, because the Regen disconnect the 5volt signal to the USB module, and from what i think that will improve the signal from signal distortion or what is your opinion ?

 
No idea about the "Regen". I use a network streamer that is powered out of a LPSU and connects to the Quad module. But if using a PC it could be better to drop the 5V and use a cleaner power supply.

 

[Beolab]

Oh boy  - you want to spent thousands on an USB Module and you think the $175 Regen is going to make a difference .... ???

 

Only to separate the 5 volt signal my friend..

 

[isquirrel]

Would love to hear the new Select II DAC, looks like a very impressive piece and would not have many contenders except for the new Sire DAC from Light Harmonic and dCS stack. Like the way MSB ensures a long shelf life with the upgradeable modules.

 

[Beolab]

No idea about the "Regen". I use a network streamer that is powered out of a LPSU and connects to the Quad module. But if using a PC it could be better to drop the 5V and use a cleaner power supply.

Here is the review i was looking for:

MSB Analog with Quad DSD USB module + Uptone Regen + AQ Jitterbug review.

I don't know if Steven Plaskin at Audio Stream are sponsored by Uptone and Audioquest, but it seems almost like it ??

How could MSB make a USB Module for $2000 that can be improved by two small gadgets for $170 / $70 ?

He states that the Jitterbug lowers the already low noisefloor of the MSB , and the Regen sharpen up and widening the sound floor ??

I have a unboxed Regen that laying here in the wait for his daddy, so they can play.

I can imagine that the Regen and Jitterbug can change the sound, but is it to the better always like the reviews tell us?? I have never read a review of a third party product / cable where the writer wrights that it made the sound more worse than it was from the beginning, thats pretty funny, and shows that most of the hifi magazines are pre-payed to wright a good review.

Otherwise MSB have to go back to the drawing board again is my recommendation to them!


http://www.audiostream.com/content/uptone-audio-usb-regen-and-audioquest-jitterbug#xR82Jv0gYICP5x0f.97

 

[Beolab]

Would love to hear the new Select II DAC, looks like a very impressive piece and would not have many contenders except for the new Sire DAC from Light Harmonic and dCS stack. Like the way MSB ensures a long shelf life with the upgradeable modules.

Do we now if LH Labs ever going to produce the Geek Solo ??

I think it could be the best looking device i have seen, but i have heard that it will just have the same internals as the Pulse ?

Any more info of Specs / price / HeadFi forum thread ?

Yes the Select II will most likely wipe the floor with any DAC at the market

Have someone heard it yet ?

 

[isquirrel]

Here is the review i was looking for:

MSB Analog with Quad DSD USB module + Uptone Regen + AQ Jitterbug review.

I don't know if Steven Plaskin at Audio Stream are sponsored by Uptone and Audioquest, but it seems almost like it ??

How could MSB make a USB Module for $2000 that can be improved by two small gadgets for $170 / $70 ?

He states that the Jitterbug lowers the already low noisefloor of the MSB , and the Regen sharpen up and widening the sound floor ??

I have a unboxed Regen that laying here in the wait for his daddy, so they can play.

I can imagine that the Regen and Jitterbug can change the sound, but is it to the better always like the reviews tell us?? I have never read a review of a third party product / cable where the writer wrights that it made the sound more worse than it was from the beginning, thats pretty funny, and shows that most of the hifi magazines are pre-payed to wright a good review.

Otherwise MSB have to go back to the drawing board again is my recommendation to them!


http://www.audiostream.com/content/uptone-audio-usb-regen-and-audioquest-jitterbug#xR82Jv0gYICP5x0f.97

Hmm yes, I will weigh in on this, Firstly the Audioquest Jitterbug was not their idea they "borrowed" it off a friend of mine in the industry who sent them a USB cable with the "jitterbug" inside it trying to do a joint Venture with them, it didn't work out but a short time later AUdioquest released pre-production versions of the Jitterbug claiming it was their design and a few months after that it was in production. The science behind the jitterbug is sound, I'll leave my opinion of Audioquest business practices off a public forum as the matter is now in front of a Court. A patent has been granted for the Jitterbug and it has not been granted to Audioquest but to the original inventor. 
 
The danger with any of these tweaks is that they are pierced very low so virtually anyone who wants to has a go at it, especially when they read reviews that say its improved on a company like MSB's USB implementation. It all adds up and frankly I wonder about the integrity of a lot of these "reviewers" the fact is they are being replaced by "US", the members of high fi forums who post sometimes in great detail about their experiences with products that they have paid for with no special discounts or extended product evaluation periods, really can it really take nearly 2 years for Robert Harley to form an impression of some speakers?

 

[Yoga]

There is a considerable amount of positive feedback regarding the Regen on Computer Audiophile. Many have found it beneficial with top dacs (including the Trinity and Lampi Big 7).
 
I have one on order to test. At that price it's a no brainer. Should hopefully have it when visiting negura for the Analogue and TotalDAC comparison. It seems the efficacy of the Regen is tied to the quality (or not) of the source/transport. 
 
As always, I'm looking forward to Roy's findings on the matter.

 

[dan.gheorghe]

I owned the old usb input and now the new quad usb input. Both use the 5v from the usb cable, so both benefit from a linear 5v lps and substantially so.
 
If you don't give the 5v to the quad usb input (or the old one), the operating system won't see Analog Dac at all.

 

[prot]

Here is the review i was looking for:

MSB Analog with Quad DSD USB module + Uptone Regen + AQ Jitterbug review.

I don't know if Steven Plaskin at Audio Stream are sponsored by Uptone and Audioquest, but it seems almost like it ??

How could MSB make a USB Module for $2000 that can be improved by two small gadgets for $170 / $70 ?

He states that the Jitterbug lowers the already low noisefloor of the MSB , and the Regen sharpen up and widening the sound floor ??

I have a unboxed Regen that laying here in the wait for his daddy, so they can play.

I can imagine that the Regen and Jitterbug can change the sound, but is it to the better always like the reviews tell us?? I have never read a review of a third party product / cable where the writer wrights that it made the sound more worse than it was from the beginning, thats pretty funny, and shows that most of the hifi magazines are pre-payed to wright a good review.

Otherwise MSB have to go back to the drawing board again is my recommendation to them!


http://www.audiostream.com/content/uptone-audio-usb-regen-and-audioquest-jitterbug#xR82Jv0gYICP5x0f.97

Those audiostream guys have all batman's ears .. they "hear" network cables, ssds and whatnot. I wont believe a single word from that site

 

[joeexp]

Interesting stuff:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...t-Jitterbug-and-Uptone-Regen-USB-Conditioners

 

[Beolab]

Those audiostream guys have all batman's ears .. they "hear" network cables, ssds and whatnot. I wont believe a single word from that site

They most be from another planet, and i wounder what hifi forum they are using ?

Maybe the well known:

www.the-big-snake-oil-forums-for- hypocrites.com

 

[Beolab]

Interesting stuff:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...t-Jitterbug-and-Uptone-Regen-USB-Conditioners

It all a big joke, but everyone buy it because it make the sound character to sound different, but is it better? I dont think so, you just get higher jitter levels and that can changes the sound.

The HiFi community consists of scientists / electrical engineers and folks who have no education or financial education, that try to trick you because it is easy to claim that this NordOst Odin II power cable claims for example is among the best in the world, but not any instrument can measure any difference btw a black stock shielded cable and a High End one, so how do NordOst and AudioQuest now that they rely have achieved any gain in performance? They haven't, everything is business, and they try to pack it in a nice coat and twist it and then take $$$$ for the effort.

Take a look at the Studio world, they use just ordinary high grade cables, that is remarkable because the have recorded your song you are listening to, so why do you need a cable that costs twenty times the price?

Yes the analog interconnects can cables can sound different, but a power cable from you dusty power outlet in the wall ??

 

[Hi Rez]

 
Interesting stuff:
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...t-Jitterbug-and-Uptone-Regen-USB-Conditioners

The only thing I could glean from that thread was that there is a lot of disagreement on how to measure USB signal integrity, along with more disagreement whether differing USB signal integrity even affects sound quality.