Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee Review & Measurements
Jan 7, 2018 at 11:27 AM Post #226 of 4,845
Koss 'Porta-Pro'.

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Sure, if your plan is: you want to get something better eventually, but you want something 'pretty good' for now, get the Porta Pro. I mean, it's not even in the same category of headphone, since it is on ear, but sure, it gives you an idea of what an open backed headphone will sound like until you get a better one....
Or, you know, you could get something better with your first purchase and maybe save yourself buying another headphone...

Would the 58X make a good first pair of open back headphones or should I consider something else first?

I would say, yes, the 58X would be a good foray into open backed headphones, especially when you consider this is basically a lower impedance version of a classic series of headphone. This is a chance to get into things, figure out what you like/don't like in an open back without needing to go out and buy an amp just to get started.
 
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Jan 16, 2018 at 11:06 AM Post #227 of 4,845
Hi all, newbie here. Has there been a conclusion as to whether the HD 58X has more bass than the other options in the 6xx line? I've read mixed findings here and elsewhere on this topic.

I own the 660s and, for whatever reason including possibly unsophisticated ears, I strongly preferred the 660s over the 650. I just found the improved bass to be very noticeable and for my ears the mids and treble sounded outstanding, and not "shouty" as Tyll reviewed. I auditioned many headphones including the Focal Elear, which I loved except for a harsh high end and what appeared to me to be lower mids which required me to constantly adjust the volume to get the vocals loud enough. The headphones quickly caused fatigue for me and the wife. Honestly I feel like I was listening to different cans than the 660s and Elear that Tyll reviewed, because his substantive critique of the 660s is exactly what I did not like about the Elear.

Back to my query. I am now looking to get a second pair of headphones for $200 or less that I can keep at my office, and so am deciding whether to go with the 58x instead of the 6xx. Anyone know whether there has been a definitive conclusion regarding how they compare on the low end?

My listening is primarily on Tidal with a Dragonfly Red.

Thanks!!!!!
 
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Jan 24, 2018 at 11:48 PM Post #228 of 4,845
Looks as if the drop will be over soon - currently says 3 days remaining. As a Sennheiser can fan, I couldn't resist. Maybe after some extensive listening tests I can pare down a pair, between the HD580, (2) HD600, and 58x Jubilee. Hard to say in the absence of hearing them, or knowing how extended the bass will be. Only a half year of waiting... :triportsad:
 
Jan 27, 2018 at 4:16 PM Post #229 of 4,845
Hey guys, has anyone that has listened to the Massdrop 58X have any comparisons to the HD598? I've heard that those are great entry-open back and I can get them for about half of the 58X when Amazon has a sale.
 
Jan 28, 2018 at 1:15 AM Post #230 of 4,845
Hi all, newbie here. Has there been a conclusion as to whether the HD 58X has more bass than the other options in the 6xx line? I've read mixed findings here and elsewhere on this topic.

I own the 660s and, for whatever reason including possibly unsophisticated ears, I strongly preferred the 660s over the 650. I just found the improved bass to be very noticeable and for my ears the mids and treble sounded outstanding, and not "shouty" as Tyll reviewed. I auditioned many headphones including the Focal Elear, which I loved except for a harsh high end and what appeared to me to be lower mids which required me to constantly adjust the volume to get the vocals loud enough. The headphones quickly caused fatigue for me and the wife. Honestly I feel like I was listening to different cans than the 660s and Elear that Tyll reviewed, because his substantive critique of the 660s is exactly what I did not like about the Elear.

Back to my query. I am now looking to get a second pair of headphones for $200 or less that I can keep at my office, and so am deciding whether to go with the 58x instead of the 6xx. Anyone know whether there has been a definitive conclusion regarding how they compare on the low end?

My listening is primarily on Tidal with a Dragonfly Red.

Thanks!!!!!

I'd get the Beyerdynamic DT 880 600 ohm with Dragonfly Red. i have heard that combo before and enjoyed it.
 
Jan 28, 2018 at 8:40 PM Post #231 of 4,845


By now, most HeadFiers have probably read Tyll's review of the Sennheiser HD660S over at InnerFidelity If not, you should certainly do so as soon as possible. Make sure to watch the accompanying video as well.

Funny story - the HD660S that Tyll reviewed was actually sent to me first, due to a misunderstanding. I asked for a review unit so I could cover it at Digital Audio Review, but the PR guy I was working with thought it would be for InnerFidelity (since I contribute to both sites). I definitely wanted Tyll to get first crack at it, and the PR folks didn't have another unit for Tyll, so I shot the package his way without even opening it.

The following week, I was able to get my hands on another HD660S from a friend. After spending time with it, I have to reluctantly agree with Tyll - this is a good headphone... perhaps even a very good headphone, all things considered. But it's not an evolution or improvement on the existing HD600/HD650 as we had hoped. Net result? Disappointment, as you can clearly see in Tyll's video review.

HD660S will likely still be a modest success for Sennheiser. But I predict many enthusiasts will find themselves underwhelmed for the price, and ultimately still waiting for a true HD600/HD650 successor.

Meanwhile, Massdrop has a project in the works that may help. It probably won't help Sennheiser all that much, but might be just the thing for enthusiasts who feel disillusioned by an underperforming $499 HD660S.



The topic of discussion here is actually the new Massdrop x Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee. If you're reading this, you've probably already read or watched something about it from Jude, so I'm not going to repeat all that info. The Massdrop page also has the details so head over there and have a look. The most important detail, in my humble opinion, is the $149.99 price tag. Massdrop's other collaboration with Sennheiser - the HD6XX - has been a huge success at $199.99, and this new offering aims to continue that winning streak.

A few important points before I get into the sound aspect:

*In case there was any doubt, I can confirm that the HD58X does in fact use the new 150-ohm Sennheiser driver "platform" - which looks undeniably like the one found in their HD700 (but don't hold that against it). I tried to capture pics but wasn't completely successful due to the grill... it was far easier to see with the naked eye though. Despite the ease with which these cans can be disassembled, I wasn't comfortable taking apart the review unit just to get a better picture - it's obviously the new driver anyway, so why take the (small) risk?

*I've confirmed with Massdrop that the HD58X uses the "older" style pads, rather than the new and slightly different HD660S variation.

*The headband pads are the "4 lumps" style as seen in HD580/HD600, rather than the longer pad with a split in the middle used by HD650/HD660S. I'm indifferent about this choice... both styles are exceedingly comfy to me, but you may feel differently.



*Finish is a bit of a mash-up. It has the smaller, offset "Sennheiser" text on top of the headband, and is all black like HD660S. But where that model has a matte finish, the HD58X has a glossy black, similar to the somewhat glossy finish on the HD650. It looks quite fetching though seems to show fingerprints more than any other variation.

*My review unit, which Massdrop says is the final design, says "Made in Ireland". Just in case anyone was concerned about Sennheiser pulling an AKG by switching production to China or elsewhere.



*The cable is just the standard 6-foot HD650-style cable with a 1/8" termination. Meanwhile the HD660S comes with two cables, one of which has the 4.4mm balanced Pentaconn termination. It makes sense that Massdrop removed the extra bundled cable considering the price discrepancy. Plus I'm not really a fan of the Pentaconn style anyway (seems unnecessary), and that cable is too long in the HD660S bundle. So personally I don't miss this at all.



Anyway.

Getting back to the drivers: Massdrop tells me this is the same "platform" as seen in the HD660S, but not quite identical. It's in the same "family of drivers" but has "different specs". Not sure how exactly they differ. The core of this driver architecture is an aluminum voice coil and new magnetic structure, which should result in more accurate transient response and faster decay - according to Axel Grell of Sennheiser.

My listening confirms that - at least to some extent. The HD58X Jubilee is indeed a bit faster than my well-worn HD650 and also a newer HD6XX. Sound is more immediate, more extended, not as warm/smooth overall. The "veil" is not so prevalent here. Perceived bass impact is... different. On the one hand it seems to kick a little harder down low, but then again it has reduced mid and upper bass so the overall feeling of warmth is reduced. The result might be the impression of improved kick when really it isn't much different. Soundstage seems wider - which I appreciate - though still lacking compared to an HD800. Particularly in depth which is not a strong suite here. Still, if you've always struggled with the HD650 sounding a bit compressed in terms of staging width, you'll appreciate this upgrade.

The HD58X is also (moderately) easier to drive. The Cowon Plenue 1 or Sony ZX2 seem more comfortable with the Jubilee than the "classic" models, and reach higher volumes more easily; which should result in superior battery life overall. I even find that an iPad or Galaxy S7 Edge does a better job with the Jubilee in terms of drive, though I do tend to miss the forgiving nature of the HD650 with those sources. In general though, if you listen primarily from a DAP, the 150 ohm HD58X is often the better match.

The flip side of that is I don't feel it scales as well on nicer desktop gear. HD650 has practically limitless potential, while HD58X seems to top out on moderate systems. The Jubilee can't really show much improvement beyond something like a Cavalli CTH or Rupert Neve RNHP. Ditto for DACs - your really-high-end source is sort of wasted here, so you can comfortably top out under $1K.

Is this a good thing or bad thing? Depends on perspective I suppose, but for me the increased scalability of the old models is more beneficial than the reduced amping requirements. I mostly listen at home on big gear though... others may feel differently.

It's very important to remember that this is meant to be a spiritual successor to the old HD580 Jubilee, which was essentially an HD600 before the real HD600 actually launched. So we're talking far more similarities to the HD600 than HD650. I no longer own an HD600 at the moment so unfortunately I can't directly compare.

What I can compare is the HD660S. And honestly I hear very minimal differences. Despite the pads being very slightly revised, and the drivers supposedly not being identical, I still don't hear a variation larger than what you might find between an older HD650 with flattened pads and a crisp new HD6XX. Which happens to be the exact scenario I have here. Or, to put it another way, the difference between HD58X and HD660S is less significant than the difference between HD600 and HD650. Also smaller than the differences between some of the AKG models, like switching from K702 to their 65th Anniversary Edition. If I must name a difference, I'd say the HD660S has more refined treble, but it's not at all a significant difference - I barely notice it for the most part.

Honestly, I'm disappointed in what Sennheiser has done with the HD660S. It's not a terrible headphone by any means, but it feels like a missed opportunity, and in a world where the HD6XX sells for $199, it seems pretty expensive.

On the other hand, I'm actually excited about the HD58X Jubilee. Yes, it's a little on the brighter side compared to HD650/HD6XX. And no, it won't scale to the same heights. But for a penny less than $150 it's an absolutely compelling release. If I'm being frank, I can't believe Sennheiser is letting this happen considering the similarity with HD660S and the difference in price. But I suppose Sennheiser will sell a ton of the more expensive model through outlets like Crutchfield, Sweetwater, Guitar Center, etc. Meanwhile, the enthusiast crowd will snatch up the HD58X for a steal of a price.

If you already own an HD600, this still might not add much to the conversation. If you own an HD650 and want a somewhat brighter, more expansive sound, this is worth a try for sure. If you don't own any of these, it's a toss up between HD6XX and HD58X Jubilee... I can think of situations where either one wins out, so there's no universal recommendation. Regardless, Massdrop should win some fans here.

What a great info and impressions. Thanks a lot!
 
Jan 29, 2018 at 12:18 AM Post #232 of 4,845
What a great info and impressions. Thanks a lot!

You realize none of these impressions matter, not even Jude's review of them? Senn already announced they are changing the way the bass is represented before production... which could change the sound entirely with a tube amp.
 
Jan 29, 2018 at 10:13 AM Post #235 of 4,845
I most likely will be selling mine within a week of getting them, I just wanted to hear them. meh.

I’d like to buy them from you for the same reason, just to try them out a few days... Anyone interested in buying them soon after? Lol
 
Jan 29, 2018 at 10:18 AM Post #236 of 4,845
I’d like to buy them from you for the same reason, just to try them out a few days... Anyone interested in buying them soon after? Lol

Yeah I figure out I will lose out on $20-30 max by doing it this way. NO different than renting a couple games for a week. lol
 
Jan 29, 2018 at 11:50 AM Post #239 of 4,845
lol. we'll see when the time comes. apparently Massdrop has announced Sennheiser has agreed to increase the bass before mass production begins... I may end up really liking them and keeping them if Sennheiser keeps their word. but we will see in June/July. cheers mates
 
Jan 29, 2018 at 12:44 PM Post #240 of 4,845
I'd be a little surprised if they don't extend the drop again given that they were limiting it to 5,000 and they barely eclipsed 1/4 of that when the drop ended.
 

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