Luxury & Precision (LP) Portable USB DAC/AMP W1 and W2 (The new W2-131 Version is Available, Related Info on Post #1)
Dec 7, 2021 at 1:45 AM Post #4,321 of 5,290
Sounds alike where I was 2 weeks ago. Bought the W2 shortly after it was released for use with new iPhone mini. Between the battery draw and cable issue it found a much better match with the iPad Air 4 using the solid L shaped usb c to c adapter pictured below instead of a cable.

W2 is great for my at home use but still wanted something portable with better sound quality than the W2. I was also looking into something like the ibasso dx310 or the hiby rs6.

After a lot of thought decided really didn’t need the quality of the dx310 or rs6 for portable use. With this hobby you can spend a small fortune for something that be outdated in a couple of years. The ideal of carry around a $1200 or more device along with me being clumsy started sounding like a disaster waiting to happen. Add that technology will improve over time and also battery life issue that I felt it be better to just get something mid range. The size of the ibasso dx310 or even the hiby RS6 is rather large and I felt there also to big to be a a pocketable dap.

Ended up buying the Shanling M6 Pro (21) on sale for $633 and it’s satisfying my needs has better sound quality than W2 and size wise it’s almost same size of the iPhone 12 mini just twice as thick. For me a mid priced dap ended up a better fit.



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Thanks a lot as it seems that we really were thinking the same way :)
The thing is that M6 Pro 21 is just $200 cheaper than DX300 with both AMP11 Mk2 and AMP12 on local classifieds ($950 vs $1150) so it's still quite tempting :)
Btw, both RS6 and M8 are roughly $1350 now.
 
Dec 7, 2021 at 1:46 AM Post #4,322 of 5,290
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Dec 7, 2021 at 9:22 PM Post #4,323 of 5,290
Just preordered the W2-131 on Taobao, ETA is said to be in 2 weeks or so.
 
Dec 7, 2021 at 9:42 PM Post #4,324 of 5,290
Thanks a lot as it seems that we really were thinking the same way :)
The thing is that M6 Pro 21 is just $200 cheaper than DX300 with both AMP11 Mk2 and AMP12 on local classifieds ($950 vs $1150) so it's still quite tempting :)
Btw, both RS6 and M8 are roughly $1350 now.
If it was that close cost wise I wouldn’t bought the M6 pro 21 but at $633 was much cheaper than could find for a new DX300. Anyways let’s get back to subject Of W2 here.
 
Dec 8, 2021 at 12:36 AM Post #4,326 of 5,290
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Dec 11, 2021 at 12:41 AM Post #4,330 of 5,290
Trying out the line out capability of the W2 with the engineering sample of the Phatlab Chimera GT. Courtesy of @Uncle Wilson at JabenSG. Excellent. Tried at 100 - some occasional distortion. At 90 no perceptible distortion. :)

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will this means double amping or there is actual software line out mode in W1/2 ?
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 2:15 AM Post #4,331 of 5,290
will this means double amping or there is actual software line out mode in W1/2 ?
There is no Line out on W2 but its a very low noise output so it works well as a line out.

People get very hung up on the whole double amping thing but remember and just to be a bit pedantic, output stages have many amp stages so actually we are usually quad or even octal amping already. As long as the output is noise/hiss free does it really matter?
 
Dec 11, 2021 at 3:12 AM Post #4,332 of 5,290
There is no Line out on W2 but its a very low noise output so it works well as a line out.

People get very hung up on the whole double amping thing but remember and just to be a bit pedantic, output stages have many amp stages so actually we are usually quad or even octal amping already. As long as the output is noise/hiss free does it really matter?
There is a very real and logical reason to why people want to prevent double amping, but the problem is that most people don't understand the reason or misunderstood it. So, the first reason to refrain from double amping is to prevent over voltage and/or over current in the line in which could cause clipping, reduced in dynamic etc. The second reason is because the line out from a non true line out device will have colouration. Then there's also the noise problem. So, since it's unlikely to over voltage an amp with the W2 and the noise of the W2 is so small, there's only one thing left with using the W2 as a line out, that is colouration. IMO as long as you like the sound signature of the W2, there shouldn't be any problem. The problem of colouration is debatable for being a plus or a minus. IMO it's okay.
 
Dec 12, 2021 at 11:39 PM Post #4,333 of 5,290
I wanted to thank @bluestorm1992 for convincing Mr. Wan/L&P to send me their new W2 to share some quick impressions on. I believe it’ll be readily available within the month. Price hasn’t been finalized yet but the price has increased by ~$15 USD-equivalent in China from the original W2, for reference. Let me know if you have any questions!

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No Reason to Feel Blue, 131 is Here


Introduction:

I get PTSD when I think about W2s, because here in the US, it reminds me of taxes. But Luxury & Precision has helped me mostly shed the negative association with its’ own brilliant little L&P W2 dongle.

As many of you may know, L&P is no stranger to prioritizing sonic performance. Therefore, it is no surprise that the W2 took the dongle world by storm by providing excellent sonic and power capabilities in tiny form factor. I have shifted through a myriad of DAPs ranging from $300 (DX160) to $1500-1800 (M8/R8), all the way to $3600 (SP2000), and the best-value dollars I’ve spent in the hobby has easily been the W2. Is it better than all those DAPs? No-but it honestly comes quite close to the likes of the Shanling M8 at nearly 1/5 of the price.

Plus, the synergy it had with my favorite IEM, the Oriolus Traillii, had me constantly raving about how awesome the little beast could perform. Its’ ability to layer in a black background with nice micro-detail mirror technical feats that only upper-tier DAPs tend to pull off.

So when I heard that L&P was “updating” the W2 due to DAC shortages, I was a bit concerned, but also intrigued. Between their P6Pro, LP6 and W2, I trust their ability to make something sound ****ing good. Waiting on a R2R dongle, Mr. Wan :wink:.

*For the purpose of these impressions, I’ll refer to the original carbon-fiber W2 as the OG (because the OG acronym will always be OG), and the new blue w2 as the 131 (because of the CS43131 DAC chip difference).

What’s New:

There’s a saying, don’t fix what isn’t broken. And to me, the OG W2 was definitely not broken [damn you chip shortages]. Sure, you might not enjoy its default tonality, but that’s where the variety of spice kicks in for life. And lucky for us, to my ears, the 131 does offer another flavor to play with IEM synergy. But before we go into sound impressions, below is a non-technical person’s attempt at trying to explain the key differences between the two dongles…for dummies :).

-The OG uses the Cirrus Logic 43198 chip, whereas the new W2 uses CS43131

- Despite different DAC chips, the two dongles shame similar DAC function-the 131 simply has an added AMP function.

-The 131 has a reported increase in driving power of 260mw at 32ohm versus OG’s 235mw.

-Both have similar features, including 3.5mm, 4.4mm balanced, two tuning options, low and high gain, etc.


Build:


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131 OG

The 131 has a near identical build to its older brother, however it instead sports a classier, sexier dark-blue exterior with a mirror glass finish. The OG proudly wears a matte, carbon fiber back with a less glossy front. Weight feels the same and both are tiny. 131 will be more of a fingerprint magnet, so I would recommend considering a dongle case (which is what I did with the OG regardless). Gotta wrap the little fella up. I also felt the screen text was a bit more crisp/HD-like on the OG versus the 131.

Battery Life:

One of my biggest quips with the OG was how fast it drained my smartphone battery. I often overlooked my iPhone’s battery health due to the banging sound I was getting out of it, but it did limit my use cases…especially when out and about with no access to a charger. (Sorry girlfriend, couldn’t pick up my phone because my phone died. Because of a dongle). So is the OG portable? Yes. Truly efficient? Not really.

Fortunately, instead of just adding a shiny, new blue coat, 131 is also a slightly friendlier companion for our smartphones. L&P states that the battery drain of the 131 is 10% less than its predecessor. While I was not able to run any official tests to confirm, I did notice an anecdotal difference when streaming MQA from Tidal. Looking forward to seeing if it’s also noticeable for other users.


Sonic Performance: 131 vs. OG


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Tuning 2; Fast; High Gain: The 131 has excellent soundstage width and height, with solid overall depth. It seems that the depth is reigned in a bit more than the OG to bring a fuller and meatier presentation to the table. This slightly compromises layering and the overall black background. 131 mids are thicker, adding a bit more presence in the vocals and instruments. The OG opts for a more upper-mid centric presentation, portraying more upper treble to add sparkle and emphasize female vocals. There is more air/upper-treble on OG. 131 has a more balanced mid-range, particularly lower mids.

These are both fun bass dongles. OG has a touch more subbass over midbass emphasis, meanwhile 131 opts for a more balanced midbass inline with the subbass. Treble is a bit smoother on the 131, adding a more organic tone; whereas OG doubles down on its digital presentation with a fun, clarity and energetic top end without being harsh.

Tuning 1: Tuning 1 goes for more of a V-shape presentation than tuning 2, to my ears. Vocals are pushed back and treble and bass are brought forward a bit with more bite and energy.

I can see the appeal in this depending on which IEM you are listening to, but I am a mids-guy and always will be, so lock me into Team Tuning 2.


Pairings:

EVO: I actually struggled to enjoy EVO on the OG W2, mainly because it was upper-mids overkill at that point. However, the 131 adds a touch more warmth and balance into the upper frequencies to give the EVO a more organic tonality. I genuinely enjoy the 131 + EVO pairing and comes to show that these two dongles are complimentary for the right IEMs. I prefer the subbass punch of the 131 a bit more because it feels more controlled versus the boomier OG.

Traillii: To beat out the OG W2 for me with Traillii was going to be no easy feat, and as excellent as 131 is, I still preferred OG for this pairing. Mainly, I feel the OG excels in areas that accentuate Trailii’s greatest strengths, mainly airiness, layering, emotive upper-mids and sparkle. The 131 was a pleasant pairing (I mean, what doesn’t pair well with Traillii?), but the staging depth did not cut it for me with overly smooth transients.

Plus, the carbon fiber back of OG matches my bird’s cable and faceplate to the bone. Maybe I am a bit biased :)

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Audeze LCD5: Before the TOTL headphone folks send me scathing PMs questioning why I paired a $4500 headphone with a $299 dongle instead of a $10k AMP + DAC stack, I want to thank @bluestorm1992 (again) for the suggestion. It seems Audeze has done an excellent job with its’ planar driver efficiency, and I was surprised to note that the OG and 131 both drove the LCD5 impressively well.

Technicalities took a large drop versus my iDSD Pro Signature, mainly in soundstage depth and imaging, but the more forward, energetic sound was rather pleasant and helped engagement for times when I wanted more intensity in my sound. Sometimes being too technical affects musicality. Putting the OG/131 volume at around 75 on high-gain provided solid headroom with still impressive clarity and dynamics.

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Simply put, these are some powerful little dongles!

Summary:

I tried to not riddle these impressions with too many cliches, but going to do it anyways…L&P W2 dongles provide excellent value for the buck. The OG has proven itself, and as we face a world with tricky supply-chain issues including chip shortages, L&P has successfully pivoted to provide the 131, which I think will successfully resonate with many.

131 sports a few changes versus its OG brother. It adds a more versatile and friendly tonality that I think will pair easier with most IEMs at slight expense of technicalities and clarity. Balanced, warm, smooth and full-sounding with solid technicalities…all for ~$299 and less battery drain. 131 is here.

TL;DR:

Rather than make a OG W2 sonic replacement, L&P created a complimentary tonality which opts for warm, balanced, and organic versus OG’s more energetic, sparkle, and layered sound. 131 sacrifices some technicalities for a more pleasant tuning. Slightly less battery drain is always a huge win for 131 as well.
 
Dec 13, 2021 at 1:55 AM Post #4,334 of 5,290
I wanted to thank @bluestorm1992 for convincing Mr. Wan/L&P to send me their new W2 to share some quick impressions on. I believe it’ll be readily available within the month. Price hasn’t been finalized yet but the price has increased by ~$15 USD-equivalent in China from the original W2, for reference. Let me know if you have any questions!

IMG_1129 2.jpg

No Reason to Feel Blue, 131 is Here


Introduction:

I get PTSD when I think about W2s, because here in the US, it reminds me of taxes. But Luxury & Precision has helped me mostly shed the negative association with its’ own brilliant little L&P W2 dongle.

As many of you may know, L&P is no stranger to prioritizing sonic performance. Therefore, it is no surprise that the W2 took the dongle world by storm by providing excellent sonic and power capabilities in tiny form factor. I have shifted through a myriad of DAPs ranging from $300 (DX160) to $1500-1800 (M8/R8), all the way to $3600 (SP2000), and the best-value dollars I’ve spent in the hobby has easily been the W2. Is it better than all those DAPs? No-but it honestly comes quite close to the likes of the Shanling M8 at nearly 1/5 of the price.

Plus, the synergy it had with my favorite IEM, the Oriolus Traillii, had me constantly raving about how awesome the little beast could perform. Its’ ability to layer in a black background with nice micro-detail mirror technical feats that only upper-tier DAPs tend to pull off.

So when I heard that L&P was “updating” the W2 due to DAC shortages, I was a bit concerned, but also intrigued. Between their P6Pro, LP6 and W2, I trust their ability to make something sound ****ing good. Waiting on a R2R dongle, Mr. Wan :wink:.

*For the purpose of these impressions, I’ll refer to the original carbon-fiber W2 as the OG (because the OG acronym will always be OG), and the new blue w2 as the 131 (because of the CS43131 DAC chip difference).

What’s New:

There’s a saying, don’t fix what isn’t broken. And to me, the OG W2 was definitely not broken [damn you chip shortages]. Sure, you might not enjoy its default tonality, but that’s where the variety of spice kicks in for life. And lucky for us, to my ears, the 131 does offer another flavor to play with IEM synergy. But before we go into sound impressions, below is a non-technical person’s attempt at trying to explain the key differences between the two dongles…for dummies :).

-The OG uses the Cirrus Logic 43198 chip, whereas the new W2 uses CS43131

- Despite different DAC chips, the two dongles shame similar DAC function-the 131 simply has an added AMP function.

-The 131 has a reported increase in driving power of 260mw at 32ohm versus OG’s 235mw.

-Both have similar features, including 3.5mm, 4.4mm balanced, two tuning options, low and high gain, etc.


Build:


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131 OG

The 131 has a near identical build to its older brother, however it instead sports a classier, sexier dark-blue exterior with a mirror glass finish. The OG proudly wears a matte, carbon fiber back with a less glossy front. Weight feels the same and both are tiny. 131 will be more of a fingerprint magnet, so I would recommend considering a dongle case (which is what I did with the OG regardless). Gotta wrap the little fella up. I also felt the screen text was a bit more crisp/HD-like on the OG versus the 131.

Battery Life:

One of my biggest quips with the OG was how fast it drained my smartphone battery. I often overlooked my iPhone’s battery health due to the banging sound I was getting out of it, but it did limit my use cases…especially when out and about with no access to a charger. (Sorry girlfriend, couldn’t pick up my phone because my phone died. Because of a dongle). So is the OG portable? Yes. Truly efficient? Not really.

Fortunately, instead of just adding a shiny, new blue coat, 131 is also a slightly friendlier companion for our smartphones. L&P states that the battery drain of the 131 is 10% less than its predecessor. While I was not able to run any official tests to confirm, I did notice an anecdotal difference when streaming MQA from Tidal. Looking forward to seeing if it’s also noticeable for other users.


Sonic Performance: 131 vs. OG


IMG_1119.jpg

Tuning 2; Fast; High Gain: The 131 has excellent soundstage width and height, with solid overall depth. It seems that the depth is reigned in a bit more than the OG to bring a fuller and meatier presentation to the table. This slightly compromises layering and the overall black background. 131 mids are thicker, adding a bit more presence in the vocals and instruments. The OG opts for a more upper-mid centric presentation, portraying more upper treble to add sparkle and emphasize female vocals. There is more air/upper-treble on OG. 131 has a more balanced mid-range, particularly lower mids.

These are both fun bass dongles. OG has a touch more subbass over midbass emphasis, meanwhile 131 opts for a more balanced midbass inline with the subbass. Treble is a bit smoother on the 131, adding a more organic tone; whereas OG doubles down on its digital presentation with a fun, clarity and energetic top end without being harsh.

Tuning 1: Tuning 1 goes for more of a V-shape presentation than tuning 2, to my ears. Vocals are pushed back and treble and bass are brought forward a bit with more bite and energy.

I can see the appeal in this depending on which IEM you are listening to, but I am a mids-guy and always will be, so lock me into Team Tuning 2.


Pairings:

EVO: I actually struggled to enjoy EVO on the OG W2, mainly because it was upper-mids overkill at that point. However, the 131 adds a touch more warmth and balance into the upper frequencies to give the EVO a more organic tonality. I genuinely enjoy the 131 + EVO pairing and comes to show that these two dongles are complimentary for the right IEMs. I prefer the subbass punch of the 131 a bit more because it feels more controlled versus the boomier OG.

Traillii: To beat out the OG W2 for me with Traillii was going to be no easy feat, and as excellent as 131 is, I still preferred OG for this pairing. Mainly, I feel the OG excels in areas that accentuate Trailii’s greatest strengths, mainly airiness, layering, emotive upper-mids and sparkle. The 131 was a pleasant pairing (I mean, what doesn’t pair well with Traillii?), but the staging depth did not cut it for me with overly smooth transients.

Plus, the carbon fiber back of OG matches my bird’s cable and faceplate to the bone. Maybe I am a bit biased :)

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Audeze LCD5: Before the TOTL headphone folks send me scathing PMs questioning why I paired a $4500 headphone with a $299 dongle instead of a $10k AMP + DAC stack, I want to thank @bluestorm1992 (again) for the suggestion. It seems Audeze has done an excellent job with its’ planar driver efficiency, and I was surprised to note that the OG and 131 both drove the LCD5 impressively well.

Technicalities took a large drop versus my iDSD Pro Signature, mainly in soundstage depth and imaging, but the more forward, energetic sound was rather pleasant and helped engagement for times when I wanted more intensity in my sound. Sometimes being too technical affects musicality. Putting the OG/131 volume at around 75 on high-gain provided solid headroom with still impressive clarity and dynamics.

IMG_1181 2.jpg

Simply put, these are some powerful little dongles!

Summary:

I tried to not riddle these impressions with too many cliches, but going to do it anyways…L&P W2 dongles provide excellent value for the buck. The OG has proven itself, and as we face a world with tricky supply-chain issues including chip shortages, L&P has successfully pivoted to provide the 131, which I think will successfully resonate with many.

131 sports a few changes versus its OG brother. It adds a more versatile and friendly tonality that I think will pair easier with most IEMs at slight expense of technicalities and clarity. Balanced, warm, smooth and full-sounding with solid technicalities…all for ~$299 and less battery drain. 131 is here.

TL;DR:

Rather than make a OG W2 sonic replacement, L&P created a complimentary tonality which opts for warm, balanced, and organic versus OG’s more energetic, sparkle, and layered sound. 131 sacrifices some technicalities for a more pleasant tuning. Slightly less battery drain is always a huge win for 131 as well.
Excellent write up. Hopefully L&P will set a day for pre-order soon.
 

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