Lotoo PAW S1 - Designed for HIFI on the go with Lotoo PAW quality and the first USB DAC-AMP with dual 3.5mm & 4.4mm output

[jeffri]

Congrats to everyone who already had the S1. Dang, still waiting for mine...

I still have my Mojo here, so I could try to compare between the two.

 

[muths66]

anyone can share the eq part.i only saw preset that is provided by lotoo.

 

[mwhals]

anyone can share the eq part.i only saw preset that is provided by lotoo.

There is only presets. The S1 does not have a user adjustable EQ.

 

[HiFlight]

anyone can share the eq part.i only saw preset that is provided by lotoo.

While no user adjustable presets are available, the 17 Lotoo presets do not sound artificial or strange. They do, however, have subtle and tasteful differences. Some of the more unusual ones are near field, far field, analog, radio and dental (not sure of what it means, but sounds nice). The second press of the Fn button displays the list of presets. Scrolling is accomplished by the + or - button. Whatever preset is currently showing on the screen become the active preset. There is also a "Flat" preset.

 

[AlexCBSN]

There is only presets. The S1 does not have a user adjustable EQ.

Yet... hopefully we’ll be able

I’m So excited for this one, the only other dac that I think can compete might be the e1da gen3, will see in a couple of weeks want to place an order for the e1da and gl20 golden planar

 

[muths66]

Yet... hopefully we’ll be able

I’m So excited for this one, the only other dac that I think can compete might be the e1da gen3, will see in a couple of weeks want to place an order for the e1da and gl20 golden planar

i using gl20 on powerdacv2.

 

[subguy812]

SQ is super good from this dongle. I have the iBasso DC01 which is 2.5mm(I am pretty much entrenched in 2.5mm). I also have a couple of 3.5mm dongles, the one included with Luna and lesser ones from Samsung and Google. I use it with a Samsung S20 Ultra and will use it with my Surface. I do not use iPhone so I can't comment on it. I do have a 4.4mm Male to 2.5mm Female adapter, so all of my bases are covered.

I started out with L Gain and have since migrated to H, I enjoy the additional dynamism. It appears to have a black background, I have tried it with OG Solaris and Solaris 2020. As I write this I am listening to Luna.

The SQ is smooth and organic and it does have power and will give it a go with my full-sized headphones soon. The stage has nice width and on neutral settings I do not hear a ton of coloration.

I am never a fan of presets, but I have dabbled a bit, but feel for the most part I will use none. Headphone and Dental sound good, but so does None. I see how an EQ could be implemented but it would be a lot of button pushing.

On Android, USB Player Pro works flawlessly and recognizes S1.

 

[twister6]

Yesterday I spent an hour testing S1 with dozens of DAPs and my Galaxy S9 with a bunch of apps. Most of it seems to be working, except for... FiiO. Not the end of the world, but connecting to M11 Pro doesn't even power up S1, and someone just told me the same with fiio M6. Oh, and just for sh!ts'n'giggles I installed FiiO Music app on my Galaxy phone, and it's the ONLY app that doesn't output audio to S1. Everything else works, Hiby Music, Neutron, Qobuz, Netflix, YouTube, etc. but Fiio music app is the only one which doesn't work, and neither does their DAPs. I smell a conspiracy theory lol!!!

And the other two I found not being compatible are iBasso DX160 where S1 powers up but no sound output while their DX220 works OK, and A&K SP1000 where S1 doesn't even power up, but their SR25 I have with me works fine. When S1 doesn't power up, I wonder if it's hardware related due to S1 current draw, though no issues with little guys like M0, R3/pro, AP80/pro, N3.

But with everything else that is working, it's the coolest thing where I can move from DAP to DAP or Android or iPhone phones or my laptop and it all sounds nearly the same from one transport pair up to another!

Anybody else found other transport pair ups or apps that don't work with S1? Please, share. Will be a good feedback for Lotoo since I know Pauline is monitoring this thread and some issues could be fixed in fw.

 

[HiFlight]

Yesterday I spent an hour testing S1 with dozens of DAPs and my Galaxy S9 with a bunch of apps. Most of it seems to be working, except for... FiiO. Not the end of the world, but connecting to M11 Pro doesn't even power up S1, and someone just told me the same with fiio M6. Oh, and just for sh!ts'n'giggles I installed FiiO Music app on my Galaxy phone, and it's the ONLY app that doesn't output audio to S1. Everything else works, Hiby Music, Neutron, Qobuz, Netflix, YouTube, etc. but Fiio music app is the only one which doesn't work, and neither does their DAPs. I smell a conspiracy theory lol!!!

And the other two I found not being compatible are iBasso DX160 where S1 powers up but no sound output while their DX220 works OK, and A&K SP1000 where S1 doesn't even power up, but their SR25 I have with me works fine. When S1 doesn't power up, I wonder if it's hardware related due to S1 current draw, though no issues with little guys like M0, R3/pro, AP80/pro, N3.

But with everything else that is working, it's the coolest thing where I can move from DAP to DAP or Android or iPhone phones or my laptop and it all sounds nearly the same from one transport pair up to another!

Anybody else found other transport pair ups or apps that don't work with S1? Please, share. Will be a good feedback for Lotoo since I know Pauline is monitoring this thread and some issues could be fixed in fw.

My Fiio M6 is working with Spotify, Tidal, Deezer and Tune In but not with the Fiio Music Player.

 

[twister6]

My Fiio M6 is working with Spotify, Tidal, Deezer and Tune In but not with the Fiio Music Player.

Hmm, wonder if you can install Hiby Music on fiio M6 and see if it works? Sounds like fiio music player app compatibility issue.

 

[jsmiller58]

Finally got mine out of the mailbox. Anyway, as others have commented, amazing build quality. Hefty and thick enough to let you know it is a serious device, but simultaneously light and small. Solid feel to the buttons and a crisp monochrome LCD. As to sound hard to say without A/B versus my other output options such as my other dongles (Hidizs S8, 9038s, and il-DSP) as well as versus straight out of my players but so far plays quite nicely out of my LG v30 and HiBy R6 Pro with UAPP playing Tidal.

I have not updated the firmware yet. What do I get with the new FW?

 

[jsmiller58]

SQ is super good from this dongle. I have the iBasso DC01 which is 2.5mm(I am pretty much entrenched in 2.5mm). I also have a couple of 3.5mm dongles, the one included with Luna and lesser ones from Samsung and Google. I use it with a Samsung S20 Ultra and will use it with my Surface. I do not use iPhone so I can't comment on it. I do have a 4.4mm Male to 2.5mm Female adapter, so all of my bases are covered.

I started out with L Gain and have since migrated to H, I enjoy the additional dynamism. It appears to have a black background, I have tried it with OG Solaris and Solaris 2020. As I write this I am listening to Luna.

The SQ is smooth and organic and it does have power and will give it a go with my full-sized headphones soon. The stage has nice width and on neutral settings I do not hear a ton of coloration.

I am never a fan of presets, but I have dabbled a bit, but feel for the most part I will use none. Headphone and Dental sound good, but so does None. I see how an EQ could be implemented but it would be a lot of button pushing.

On Android, USB Player Pro works flawlessly and recognizes S1.

I have never had someone be able to answer this, but maybe you can... If you have sufficient volume headroom on Low gain, is there an advantage or disadvantage to using High gain? I usually try to stay on low gain out of fear of introducing some unintended distortion with high gain...

 

[DavidS11]

Hope everyone is having a good day and enjoying their S1.

Earlier I mentioned the 4.4 output sound was better than the 3.5 output. I noticed it was both at the default Low gain setting. I retested with 3.5 at High gain and as is well now. I guess it’s my iem, I’m using AK T9iE.

 

[twister6]

I have never had someone be able to answer this, but maybe you can... If you have sufficient volume headroom on Low gain, is there an advantage or disadvantage to using High gain? I usually try to stay on low gain out of fear of introducing some unintended distortion with high gain...

In theory with a lot of efficient IEMs you don't need to go to high gain. But in some cases, all depending on pair up, switching to a high gain gives a little extra kick to the performance even when you lower the volume in high gain to match it with low gain. Nothing is set in stone, try it either way with your various IEMs, you might hear a difference.

At the same time, S1 might be drawing more current in high gain, so low gain will also help with a battery drain.

 

[Def1side]

My Lotoo Paw S1 is not recognized by pc? (win 8.1 pro) Anybody problems connecting to pc? (it should be plug and play, I made the update)