Lilith Audio Player

[c001m4n]

I dunno if it's been mentioned, but VST plugins does not work in the latest x64core2 release. They work fine in the core2 version.

(opps nvm...I guess I should have used the search function -_-; )

 

[mamba315]

I've been playing with Lilith and I tend to think it sounds better. This is the first player I've been able to hear a difference with.

Regarding VST compatibility, I'm using Electri-Q with it just fine, but Vnophones doesn't seem to work correctly. I can't modify the settings. Anybody else have this problem?

Is there a setup guide? I want to try RAM buffering and make sure I'm using the best settings for quality playback.

 

[leeperry]

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Originally Posted by mamba315 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Vnophones doesn't seem to work correctly. I can't modify the settings. I want to try RAM buffering

1) right click, "open parameters windows"

2) enable it, set a high figure. done.

 

[leeperry]

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Originally Posted by MusiCol /img/forum/go_quote.gif Having said that, uLilith is an audio player, not a DAW

it's still pretty darn close

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I use Ozone4 to check if I don't go over -0.1dB, the Trident tube EQ because it's a PRaT killing machine...and I'm currently comparing the Sonnox/DMG EQ's to kill middle ear resonances on headphones

the DMG EQ sounds great in "linear phase" mode, but this mode adds 4096 samples latency, and uLilith's author has told me that he can't do anything about it...losing gapless support is a major deal breaker

anyway, w/ the EXACT same settings I think Sonnox is flatter and DMG more "sparkly".

the DMG coder is not quite a newbie, but it's hard to beat the Sonnox plugins code...that comes from the legendary Sony OXF-R3 board

OTOH, the GUI is far more convenient in the DMG plugin.

 

[Rokoko]

Leeperry, thanks for revealing this player to all of us.
I know that this is a bit off topic, but anyway let me ask your opinion:
A while ago you were evaluating ShaPlay - free software player for DVD-AUDIO. After the Russian guy, who wrote it, stopped development, but Russians community is still very exciting how this player works.
I would appreciate for your opinion, is it better to rip the DVD-A and play wav files by uLilith for example or play them straight using ShaPlay? What is your experience?

And yes, I am already testing uLilith w/ ASIO4ALL outputting through hiFace USB/SPDIF adapter. Well, it definitely sounds noticeably different, but I need more time to analyze what exactly is different.

 

[leeperry]

don't mention it

all credits go to the OP for sharing his discovery and to Northern Verse(uLilith's coder)...I'm just a very dedicated bug hunter

Well, uLilith doesn't allow to downmix 5.1 to stereo yet...so ideally I'd advise to downmix to stereo in ffdshow+graphedit, output to 32float WAV and play it back in uLilith.

Northern Verse has told me that custom matrixing in uLilith was in the works, so soon this player will be matching ALL my expectactions, then I'll be bored to death....coz I just hate it when everything works perfectly

 

[Rokoko]

Leeperry, thanks, now is almost clear.
I am not the 5.1 MCH fan, I like 2-ch stereo only, even I have good equipment for MCH, but I really prefer 2-channels only. ShaPlay is attractive solution for quick hi res music access, for those DVD-A which I did not make by my self and do not have files on PC. Only that attracts me for this player.
Now, for stereo only case, is ShaPlay “good quality” enough or you would recommend to rip DVD-A to wav and listen it by uLilith???

 

[leeperry]

well, compare shaplay+reclock(in KS/WASAPI) to uLilith(in ASIO/WASAPI)...and tell us what you hear?

David Griesinger believes that you can make a better stereo downmix from 5.1 than what you can find as stereo on most commercial discs...and I'd agree: http://www.davidgriesinger.com/

 

[leeperry]

hah, the author told me that someone's nagging him to hell to add ALAC support...but it's been illegally reversed engineered, and he doesn't want to use that

I don't use ALAC, so I couldn't care less...anyway, he's found a way to compensate for the latency some plugins add(like Electri-Q and EQuality in "linear phase" modes)...I'll extensively betatest this patch now, as it would allow gapless

 

[leeperry]

humm, wow, the automatic latency compensation works perfectly now...that's the only media player I know of that does that...gapless playback and glitch-free seeking w/ VST plugins that add latency(EQuality adds 4096 samples and ElectriQ 8192)....now all we need is a custom mixing matrix, and I'll be out of ideas

 

[MusiCol]

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Originally Posted by leeperry /img/forum/go_quote.gif it's still pretty darn close : .

You're right, it does a very good job of processing audio with VST's.

PS. Apologies for my earlier post - I should not have posted my assumptions out of turn - especially as I was incorrect! But I would like to say that my equipment is reasonably good, my hearing is fine, and when I first discovered the 2002 Japanese version iLilith I would not have persevered and found this thread if it wasn't for the sound quality, so no placebo effect. Oh, and life does not "suck"!

Sorry for going off topic, and thanks to leeperry for your continued work on this excellent audio player.

 

[leeperry]

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Originally Posted by MusiCol /img/forum/go_quote.gif life does not "suck"

I was being terribly sarcastic, because to me this player kills everything else...but there's always the usual clueless naysayers that basically say what I said(they already filled the 6 first pages of this thread

), so I tried to save them some time.

the latest beta is really great, VST support has been greatly improved...next is ASIO, as I've notified the coder of a few little problems....it's great when a coder cares about bug reports and always finds solutions in a timely manner

 

[donunus]

now the last thing so that everyone will want to use this player.... foobar style playlist with all the tracks on the side ready to be played. All the album art displayed there too

 

[leeperry]

a friend of mine said he'd like to have covers flying around like in foobar...I personally love how it is right now, and instead of doing a lot of things poorly...it does a few things really well, that is playing audio files.

 

[leeperry]

BTW, there's been a new beta a few days ago that includes the improved VST support...now it's got automatic latency compensation and adds some dummy samples the first time it's started, because some VST plugins need some latency to sound their best(like that Trident EQ for instance).

Northern Verse has been kind enough to accept one of my feature requests, so the next version will have an "Open current folder" right-click option on each audio file...you can just click on it, and it will automatically add all the files in the current folder alphabetically-sorted and play them...all in one click..no need to make pesky .m3u files anymore

It's definitely becoming the KMPlayer of audio playback, like in the good ole'days when anyone could just ask kyh96403 for feature requests...and he would just add them within a few days...ah, those were the days