Light Harmonic Geek Wave

[m-i-c-k-e-y]

As I recall this survey would be the Fifth.

-LH Labs Survey (twice I think).
-Manny's manual system. (wherever you are your the best Dude!)
-Market Place system.

 

[Zojokkeli]

Just a little more of a push to get people to fill in this form....according to Gavin (who Larry has apparently reconciled with):

"Two of my campaigns are proudly stationed in the most successful campaigns of all time on Indiegogo. Not bad, but I'm just getting started."

Hmmmm....it is half a decade and I still don't see anything close to success....I guess success is in the eye of the beholder.

Successful for them. Make a few million dollars, fiddle around pretending to do something, and laugh your way to the bank?

 

[marflao]

@marflao I think it would be a good idea for everyone to give Markus their order number so i can go into my records I have access to and make sure all is correct, so we can trace funds and orders based on that sheet.

Also, everyone give Markus their PAYPAL email address they used on the orders as well. I know people quite frequently update and change emails, so I/he needs the one YOU USED ON THE ORDER(s). That way our office can go in and look and make sure the payment amounts match what we have.

The store system is down right now and the store system is now mainly used to manage orders. I don't know when it will be open again for the public, so any questions over the account or invoicing or anything can be asked through a ticket or PM or wherever. Most if not all Light Harmonic sales are done through alternate means which saves money for now on a storefront.

Whether anyone wants to give their PayPal email address to Markus is up to them. This is the backers' project, not ours. I'm just trying to assist where I can with it.

Hi Jarek,

besides that I don´t thnk that it requires any approval from Larry to compile this sheet I won´t add any paypal numbers, offers numbers etc.
This is something which has to be done by LHL (mainly you were the chosen one). And it´s unbelievable that of your data seems to be gone due to the fact that the store system is gone. Or did I misunderstood something? Good point for Larry..so he has another reason not to worry what needs to be produced. How can he if he has no clue what is on the backorder list.

From my point of view this list is not intended to help LHL at all, it should help to give an overview how much we backers paid so far for LHL devices which haven´t been delivered yet. Hopefully the list can be used as proof in a potential case vs Larry/LHL. So the focus on the list to help the backers.

I doubt that we reach all of those backers which are still awaiting LHL stuff but at least we can give it a try.

 

[m17xr2b]

Jarek, didn't you recently say you're going away for a while? Are you a man of your word or not?

Gentlemen, don't be fooled by the record updating LH labs keeps pushing, I've had my records updated when rocking the boat and that got me to shut up for a while. It's a scam to divert attention.

Say 50% of LH Labs records are bad, let them build the units first then we can argue who gets what, until then any mention of LH Labs records updating should be ignored or chastised.

 

[stuck limo]

Jarek, didn't you recently say you're going away for a while? Are you a man of your word or not?

I'll comment when I deem it necessary. Thank you.

besides that I don´t thnk that it requires any approval from Larry to compile this sheet

Of course not. Consumers are free to pursue any course of action they wish to within the laws of their country. We at no time indicated you "needed" approval from us.

From my point of view this list is not intended to help LHL at all.

We don't feel that way either. We offered to help the backers on the list in some way, shape or form. It has nothing to do with us. In fact, we encouraged the list. Making a list certainly doesn't help us. It only "hurts" us (term very loosely used) but we're willing to go along with it and have no issue with it. We also trust you to correctly implement the spreadsheet data and only want you to have access.

I've had my records updated when rocking the boat and that got me to shut up for a while.

I am unsure who you spoke to or why you felt the need or were pressured to shut up for a record update. I hope/don't believe it was from us (or at least me). Or was that a personal decision?

It's a scam to divert attention.

Are you advising people to NOT update their records then or make sure their records are correct on their end or have us update their records to show correct information?

EITHER WAY I have been politely informed the owner of the spreadsheet does not want our involvement in getting those backers on the spreadsheet their merchandise using the spreadsheet information, so I will not volunteer any information or assistance or ask to see any private information in regards to order numbers, PayPal addresses, etc. on the spreadsheet.

 

[marflao]

Sorry Jarek,

what are you/Larry/LHL trying here? To be the White Knight and offer your help in getting the (order) data correctly shown?? Something you had several years time and haven't done it yet?
Even though I would be given the order-/Paypal numbers I doubt that anything would change since Larry/LHL won't produce at all. OK....maybe some Source SEs will be shipped in the near future. But that's it.

Does Larry really thinks he's the innocent guy?

 

[MikeyFresh]

Good point for Larry..so he has another reason not to worry what needs to be produced. How can he if he has no clue what is on the backorder list.

He can't, and he also can't order correct parts quantities, or production runs for supposedly finished product designs either.

This is a smoking gun that reveals intent, or should I say non-intent to deliver. Why worry about those details when you have no intention of producing and delivering the products that were promised? This reveals LHL knew all along they wouldn't need to keep track of any "order" details, as they wouldn't actually be delivering anything. Premeditated fraud.

 

[marflao]

He can't, and he also can't order correct parts quantities, or production runs for supposedly finished product designs either.

This is a smoking gun that reveals intent, or should I say non-intent to deliver. Why worry about those details when you have no intention of producing and delivering the products that were promised? This reveals LHL knew all along they wouldn't need to keep track of any "order" details, as they wouldn't actually be delivering anything. Premeditated fraud.

Yep..that's my point why it doesn't matter if the paypal-/order numbers would be mentioend in the spreadsheet.

 

[Bill2112]

As I recall this survey would be the Fifth.

-LH Labs Survey (twice I think).
-Manny's manual system. (wherever you are your the best Dude!)
-Market Place system.

So what happened to all these systems Jarek? Why so many?

And for the 3rd time I'll ask:

"why don't you post the number of orders you have on record for each campaign? I don't know what your system shows in terms of totals. Then, beside, the totals, the number shipped. This could be updated as an audit trail. Just put it into google docs as markus as done."

Perhaps you can't because you don't have the data because it's missing.

 

[Anaximandros]

What should I say?

I have an open ticket since over a year, because they lost the information about what I backed which is not delivered yet. ( 1 HPA and 1 Tube HPA).

After Jarek asked me to provide the information and paypal receipts everything went silent. I also attached previous tickets, where my order was confirmed from various support staff members, who don't seem to work there anymore.

It all occured, because I could not log into the new marketplace system, as my User was deleted or not migrated.

Markus, I will get back to you with the information for your spreadsheet. Thanks for your work.

 

[marflao]

What should I say?

I have an open ticket since over a year, because they lost the information about what I backed which is not delivered yet. ( 1 HPA and 1 Tube HPA).

After Jarek asked me to provide the information and paypal receipts everything went silent. I also attached previous tickets, where my order was confirmed from various support staff members, who don't seem to work there anymore.

It all occured, because I could not log into the new marketplace system, as my User was deleted or not migrated.

Markus, I will get back to you with the information for your spreadsheet. Thanks for your work.

Woooooaaaahhh... I totally forgot that you also had some "long awaited" stuff. Long time, no hear

 

[stuck limo]

This is a smoking gun that reveals intent, or should I say non-intent to deliver. Why worry about those details when you have no intention of producing and delivering the products that were promised? This reveals LHL knew all along they wouldn't need to keep track of any "order" details, as they wouldn't actually be delivering anything. Premeditated fraud.

That "smoking gun" does not reveal "intent" or "no intent" or "premeditated fraud". LH Labs has always claimed they intend on delivering products as the funds allow.

Specifically in regards to order details, let's see which scenario is MOST likely:

1. LH Labs thought that by not keeping track of orders, not delivering products, and knowing they wouldn't actually deliver anything, they felt that situation would NOT impact any LH/L or LH business, everyone would be cool with it, and no damaging bad publicity would ensue.

2. LH Labs KNEW that by intentionally or unintentionally losing orders, everyone would be upset, bad publicity would ensue, business from both divisions would be impacted, they would lose a fanbase, but didn't care.

3. LH Labs was just incompetent to an enormous degree and shuffled order systems around, lost orders by accident, and generally didn't know what they were doing, and in the process screwed themselves over and created unnecessary hardships for customers.

Which scenario do you think is MOST likely for a previously well known respected business?

 

[marflao]

That "smoking gun" does not reveal "intent" or "no intent" or "premeditated fraud". LH Labs has always claimed they intend on delivering products as the funds allow.

Specifically in regards to order details, let's see which scenario is MOST likely:

1. LH Labs thought that by not keeping track of orders, not delivering products, and knowing they wouldn't actually deliver anything, they felt that situation would NOT impact any LH/L or LH business, everyone would be cool with it, and no damaging bad publicity would ensue.

2. LH Labs KNEW that by intentionally or unintentionally losing orders, everyone would be upset, bad publicity would ensue, business from both divisions would be impacted, they would lose a fanbase, but didn't care.

3. LH Labs was just incompetent to a large degree and shuffled order systems around, lost orders by accident, and generally didn't know what they were doing, and in the process screwed themselves over and created unnecessary hardships for customers.

Which scenario do you think is MOST likely for a previously well known respected business?

Hmm..is this post aligned with Larry (his words???)?

 

[m17xr2b]

LH Labs has always claimed they intend on delivering products as the funds allow

This is what I don't understand, what is funds allow? You received the funds requested and then some. Please explain why you don't have enough to build what was promised.

 

[stuck limo]

This is what I don't understand, what is funds allow? You received the funds requested and then some. Please explain why you don't have enough to build what was promised.

It's been already explained multiple times in this thread, other forums, IGG, etc. You can review the thread for that information over R&D and overhead eating up most of the funds.