Light Harmonic Geek Wave

[m-i-c-k-e-y]

The SOM has single and dual cpu variant.

 

[deathson]

  The SOM has single and dual cpu variant.

 
Day1 Spec on Geek Wave Reboot IGG campiagn, Dual Core cpu is basic spec Geek Wave .
If Geek Wave 64 backer only got a Single core cpu SOM... Ho.....
It maybe a storm...

 

[wingsounds13]

The processor spec changed at least once during the campaign(s) and several times since. I am not concerned. What difference does it make whether it has one core or sixteen cores, was released six months ago or six years ago? As long as it does the job I don't see the difference, EXCEPT for "marketing value". Again, as long as it does the job...

In the case of the Wave, this job is primarily to get the bits from storage to the DAC chip reliably and with as little jitter and noise as possible. The secondary tasks include the user interface and library management. There are also all the various hardware management tasks (storage, battery management, I/O, network, ....)

What is the concern with the type and number of processor cores? Is there a sound to processors? Is newer/faster/more cores by definition better? In what way? I trust that Larry and LH Labs has chosen the best processor for the task within the restrictions of the product physical, electrical and cost specs.

For those who are concerned about processors, RAM size, storage size, battery size, case material, appearance, design/development/delivery time, whatever... feel free to design your own DAP and bring it to market. Do tell us in detail how fast and easy it was to complete the projec, produce and deliver it and just how easy it was to design in absolute reliability.

Yes, I am tired of waiting. I first contributed to the Wave project April 9, 2014 and am certain that it will be over three years since then before I receive mine. This seems long since we have been following the project since its inception, but a three year development cycle is quite common. More than that can be expected for a first product - and the Wave is the first DAP that LH Labs has produced. You can consider this to be the most complex product that they have. It is a library/media server and high quality DAC all in one compact, battery powered portable unit. Just try to tell anyone that this is not a complicated project!

J.P.

 

[jdog]

The processor spec changed at least once during the campaign(s) and several times since. I am not concerned. What difference does it make whether it has one core or sixteen cores, was released six months ago or six years ago? As long as it does the job I don't see the difference, EXCEPT for "marketing value". Agai, as long as it does the job...

In the case of the Wave, this job is primarily to get the bits from storage to the DAC chip reliably and with as little jitter and noise as possible. The secondary tasks include the user interface and library management. There are also all the various hardware management tasks (storage, battery management, I/O, network, ....)

What is the concern with the type and number of processor cores? Is there a sound to processors? Is newer/faster/more cores by definition better? In what way? I trust that Larry and LH Labs has chosen the best processor for the task within the restrictions of the product physical, electrical and cost specs.

For those who are concerned about processors, RAM size, storage size, battery size, case material, appearance, design/development/delivery time, whatever... feel free to design your own DAP and bring it to market. Do tell us in detail how fast and easy it was to complete the projec, produce and deliver it and just how easy it was to design in absolute reliability.

Yes, I am tired of waiting. I first contributed to the Wave project April 9, 2014 and am certain that it will be over three years since then before I receive mine. This seems long since we have been following the project since its inception, but a three year development cycle is quite common. More than that can be expected for a first product - and the Wave is the first DAP that LH Labs has produced. You can consider this to be the most complex product that they have. It is a library/media server and high quality DAC all in one compact, battery powered portable unit. Just try to tell anyone that this is not a complicated project!

J.P.

@JP, I'm not sure too many people who follow this forum are surprised it might take a "company" 3 years to complete a DAP, but let's be a little more honest in this case.  If you go back and read the original "Story" on the Wave, LH Labs (whoever that included at the time) presented the Wave in the present tense and set the time line for delivery for about 6-9 months after the close of the campaign with plans to sell the Wave in the retail market by June/July 2015.  This, I feel, led a large number of people to believe that the Geek Wave already existed in some sort of prototype form.  In fact, if you go back and watch the promo video on the Story page, they even show people who are supposedly listening to something that is implied to be the Geek Wave, and each and every one is completely "blown away" by the listening experience.  I would suggest that if Larry and the gang had been honest and "sold" the Wave as a "project in development" that might take 3 or more years to develop, then the investors might be a little more understanding/forgiving.  So, whether this is a complicated project or not, LH Labs has not been honest about this project from the very beginning, and I, for one, can completely understand why others are voicing their concerns/criticisms about the Wave project.  And, I don't even need to try to "design" my own DAP and "bring it to market" to confirm or understand my feelings....

 

[m-i-c-k-e-y]

That guy which I feel responsible has jumped in another pond - Audioengine. His sidekick I do not know where he is at.

Reasoned he is done helping and wanted a career move... blah.. blah.

If he was gentleman he should at least finish the mess.

He offered drinks as a reconciliary/friendly gesture on a audio meet for those who will come.

Don't know those thick skinned who grabbed the invitation.

Just want to help as I can to finish this project (have close to $2K on it). Waning, bashing will just make it worse.

 

[Maelob]

same boat here!

 

[doctorjazz]

Agreed, doesn't help bashing your head against the wall... Have the same tired up in it (and more in the Vi and Source). We all wish we had some idea what was to come, but now the Ship has sailed, hopefully it gets in.
(see if I can come up with more trite truisms later, break open some fortune cookies...)

 

[wingsounds13]

I can't argue that LH Labs has not been upfront with us. I suspect that they have been lieing to themselves as much as they have been misleading us. Yes, when I backed the Wave, I bought in to the idea that the project was already half way done and might be delivered within a year. That idea was quickly dispelled in my understanding when the original concept was basically scrapped and a new design begun during the first campaign. Still, I thought that at least the back end (the DAC and headphone amp) was mostly hashed out and as a small and agile company they could likely wrap the design and start shipping in a two year time frame. I contributed to a number of perks after coming to that conclusion and continued to have some faith in their ability to work this project reasonably quickly, even though I came to the conclusion that it was reasonable to double their proposed time to ship projections.

As I have said, I am tired of waiting. Tired as I am of their extreme lack of competence in project management, I do expect them to eventually deliver a product and a very good one at that. I also accept that there is essentially nothing that I can do but wait and watch. LH Labs communication could be MUCH better and I as well as most everyone here think that this would relieve much of the tension that exists with their crowd funding backers. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be happy with weekly "we did this and this, this didn't work, we need to do this and expect this to happen in the next few weeks". Fairly simple, straight forward updates, not needing to reveal any great company secrets or anything critical - just some evidence of activity on the project. I really, REALLY do wish that they had done this from the beginning and kept us informed of the various missteps and delays as they became apparent within the project.

I can offer one exceptional example of communication that has all followers happy, even when things are not going the way that they should: PS Audio is very active on their forum, particularly the owner and president (or is he CEO) Paul McGowan. They also provide outstanding customer support that also keeps virtually every customer happy, even when they are experiencing issues with the products. I am certain that Paul and Larry know each other, at least in passing, and continue to hope that Larry will recognize the incredible power of PS Audio's approach to doing business and keeping the customer as a top priority. As optimistic as I am, I don't hold much hope for this, but still cling on to a thread of hope that LH Labs can at least improve in this area. Almost anything would be a great step forward.

J.P.

 

[deathson]

Maybe many someone hate for me when I talk about the SOM, but LHLabs set 2 upgrade perks for "upgraded hardware cpu" and "powerful up-sampling function" also a real.
Many backer paid extra USD$256 for this upgrade perks and hope to got a more powerful DAP also a real.
 
In development stage, Some function or feature too difficult then Give up those, it's OK. It look like Geek Out v1 in day1 spec, it's marked native dsd 128, In final product, it's give up this feature due to GeekOut internal FPGA performance too slow. On the case, All backer is fair to got a same geek out and No one to paid extra.
 
But in Geek Wave, It's upgrade perks AND backer paid extra money. LHLabs no any words on Those upgrade perk will be no longer to realize when I talk about it.
Yes, Geek Wave without "upgraded hardware cpu" and "powerful up-sampling function", still a amazing product in World.
I think Lhlabs need take action with responsibility, talk to all backer those perks are no longer to realize and refund those perk money to backer.
Not no any words for this parts and quiet to change the final spec.
 
In now, I still hope to LHLabs talk to me the latest geek wave pcb, still support Quad core SOM and build-in powerful up-sampling function.

 

[marflao]

The processor spec changed at least once during the campaign(s) and several times since. I am not concerned. What difference does it make whether it has one core or sixteen cores, was released six months ago or six years ago? As long as it does the job I don't see the difference, EXCEPT for "marketing value". Agai, as long as it does the job...
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It´s a matter of principle.
 
They advertised something and people jumped into the perks because they believed them.
But apparently it´s a big hoax....now the SOM and CPU topic. Earlier they announced different Pulse versions, GW 32, hexagonal Source case which are all skipped due to the various "reasons".
 
This is absolutely crap and they continue with it, haven´t learned from their mistakes.
 
And in addition to that IGG don´t intervene in such a campaign behaviour.
 
Seems that it was never so easy to get people´s money based on lies. One just needs to advertise something which sounds great hence a lot of people back the stuff. And then durinig the campaign the backers will be told that those perks won´t be feasible to produce due to this and that reason.
Bye, bye money...
 
For me they don´t have any decency and neither that I will ever back something else on IGG I will definitely never, ever again buy something from LHL.

 

[wingsounds13]

We have heard almost nothing about the features, specs and configuration of the Wave models that will eventually be delivered. How do you 'know' that you will not be getting the additional features that you backed? Is this perhaps like we hear almost nothing about the day to day and week to week progress on the Wave project, therefore many people assume that absolutely nothing is being done and the Wave project is sitting dormant while the LH Labs development team is just sitting around with their thumbs us their a$$es???

I am curious as to what models and features will actually ship, but I am not assuming that nothing is being done and features are not being developed just because we have not been explicitly informed of the progress of every detail of the Wave project. No news is no news, nothing more. It is frustrating, but no news is not proof of nothing being done.

J.P.

 

[jdog]

Does anyone know how far LH labs has gotten with listings for Geek Waves on their new LH labs market place?  Have they just listed the Waves for investors who perked for the top of the line DAD version??

 

[dblml320]

I too am waiting for a Wave device since 2014 and wholeheartedly agree what was said above: For me they don´t have any decency and neither that I will ever back something else on IGG I will definitely never, ever again buy something from LHL.

 

[dblml320]

Oh yes if LHL had focused on the Wave instead of all the other side projects.. server, headphones, etc.. maybe the Wave would have been delivered in a more timely fashion.. I worry that the Wave will be ho-hum compared to new players, when it is finally delivered.

 

[mandrake50]

Oh yes if LHL had focused on the Wave instead of all the other side projects.. server, headphones, etc.. maybe the Wave would have been delivered in a more timely fashion.. I worry that the Wave will be ho-hum compared to new players, when it is finally delivered.

I have a much greater fear. My $1K plus is gone and I will not get anything for it.If I do get something, I would guess that it will be at least OK. At this point simply getting that would be  some kind of victory. Sure a small one, but none the less, something.