[PeterDLai]

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The real improvement is from a proper DAC. For instance, my E10 (WM8740) has more driving power, but my Blackberry Playbook (WM8994) sounds better, more spacious, and has better separation..

 
The odd thing is that it seems to me like the WM8740 is supposed to be the better DAC by specs and design? I'm by no means an expert on the subject and I realize it all comes down to how it sounds in the end, but it does raise the question as to how to determine a "proper DAC" when the one "designed for smartphones and other portable devices rich in multimedia features" outperforms the "very high performance" one "designed for audio applications such as CD, DVD, home theatre systems, set top boxes and digital TV".
 
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/dacs/WM8740/
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM8994/
 
Though perhaps because WM8994 is newer, Wolfson has continuously improved the audio quality to the point where their portable application DACs compete with or outperform their older DACs.

 

[shotgunshane]

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No argument there.

 
So I'm not arguing that the fxz models need amplification, b/c they don't but I am arguing that not all amps sound the same, so you will hear a difference, whether that be small, large, worse or even meaningful.

 

[miow]

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So I'm not arguing that the fxz models need amplification, b/c they don't but I am arguing that not all amps sound the same, so you will hear a difference, whether that be small, large, worse or even meaningful.

 

 

[RatFarm]

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EDIT: At 124 hours, the bass become thunderous again

and theres much, but much more detail along the whole spectrum. I can pick up details I just could with my D7000's. I think I won't sell them at this point. Geez, this got me by surprise!!

Sounds like I need to burn mine in more!

 

[eke2k6]

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The odd thing is that it seems to me like the WM8740 is supposed to be the better DAC by specs and design? I'm by no means an expert on the subject and I realize it all comes down to how it sounds in the end, but it does raise the question as to how to determine a "proper DAC" when the one "designed for smartphones and other portable devices rich in multimedia features" outperforms the "very high performance" one "designed for audio applications such as CD, DVD, home theatre systems, set top boxes and digital TV".
 
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/dacs/WM8740/
http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM8994/
 
Though perhaps because WM8994 is newer, Wolfson has continuously improved the audio quality to the point where their portable application DACs compete with or outperform their older DACs.

 
I'm really not an expert at that stuff either, I just go by ear most of the time just the majority of us. The playbook simply sounded better than the E10, freeing me up to sell the E10.

 

[miow]

Mine is still 50hrs. No good, no good!!!

 

[dimitri42]

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Mine is still 50hrs. No good, no good!!!

 
These are the best IEMs I have ever heard in all my life. Beating many many headphones way above their price range. Wait till the 124 hours and you'll see for yourself.

 

[PeterDLai]

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I'm really not an expert at that stuff either, I just go by ear most of the time just the majority of us. The playbook simply sounded better than the E10, freeing me up to sell the E10.

 
Another huge factor to take into account is output impedance. I learned how much of a difference it can make in the overall sound signature after I read this article. The Fiio E10 seems to have very low output impedance, but I don't think anybody has measured/reported on the PlayBook before. Hopefully it's not as bad as the Nexus 7 (~100 Ohms

).

 

[atomikn00b]

if I were a god. I'd say....
"'eke. How dare you keep me waiting?"
then and a expression at the end to sound pleasant.

 

[eke2k6]

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Another huge factor to take into account is output impedance. I learned how much of a difference it can make in the overall sound signature after I read this article. The Fiio E10 seems to have very low output impedance, but I don't think anybody has measured/reported on the PlayBook before. Hopefully it's not as bad as the Nexus 7 (~100 Ohms

).

 
Yes, I understand the concept, and there aren't any wild FR swings b/w the iphone, playbook, and e10.
 
Good grief. To think I almost bought the Nexus 

 
 
 

if I were a god. I'd say....
"'eke. How dare you keep me waiting?"
then and a expression at the end to sound pleasant.
 

 
Forgive me! 

---

 

[miow]

The micro-details with the fischer audio's is just amazing compared to the SONY Hybrids. Still amazed at these tips.

 

[PeterDLai]

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The micro-details with the fischer audio's is just amazing compared to the SONY Hybrids. Still amazed at these tips.

 
Are those tips from the original DBA-02 or the DBA-02 mkII? If only we could find a source to buy them separately...

 

[Apo0th3karY]

So I bit, got the 200s. Awaiting shipping confirmation from a fellow head-fier
 
I didn't think I was gonna do it anytime soon but I couldn't contain myself.
 
I'm unsure of the level of burn in, but regardless of that I'm kiiiiiinda hoping there's little burn in so I can see the difference for myself. Either way though, having a new, nicely burnt in, gently used set would be a great bonus, no wait time for the preferred sound post burn in. I'll definitely be putting them through a gambit of regular-use-burn-in with drum and bass though 

 

[djvkool]

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The micro-details with the fischer audio's is just amazing compared to the SONY Hybrids. Still amazed at these tips.

 
I tried and use the ones that came with Tandem, but to be honest I can't hear the difference compared to the stock silicone.
 
The ones that came with my Silver Bullet for some reason are not as good quality as Tandem's silicone so I don't bother.
 
I'm using UE's silicone and Comply TS for my FXZ100

 

[miow]

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Are those tips from the original DBA-02 or the DBA-02 mkII? If only we could find a source to buy them separately...

 
From the original DBA-02. Please find the source, I would like to try them out before these get damaged by use. They sound so clean and transparent.
 
Guess what? 75hrs and now they vibrate in your ears like an headphone!!!
 
The L stock tips do not fit my ears. Too small. No seal and fall out of my ears. A shame because they are made of the same materials as the fischer audio's. Very very soft. But the fisher's are taller. They had to be hardly stretched to fit these large nozzles.