JRiver Media Center 19 is better!

[groovyd]

  I know they switches from traditional volume leveling (Replay Gain) to a more modern standard (R128)
Maybe you audio simply needs to be reanalyzed for R128 because what you are describing is really excessive.
 
JRiver recommends to use Volume Leveling together with Adaptive Volume, wouldn't be surprised if enabling Adaptive Volume brings everything back to normal

I did have them all re-evaluated by JRiver itself.  They actually recommend NOT to use those two settings together since they do not work properly on a playlist or even Playing Now.  Apparently Adaptive Volume doesn't know how to lerp gain slowly over the impending songs in the list to prove a smooth experience.  Adaptive Volume is only useful for playing whole single albums they told me.  I know this because when I did enable both I was futsing with the volume control even more then without either.

 

[groovyd]

   
 
Thanks for the answers.
 
I wonder if using Volume Leveling together with Adaptive Volume is worth it or I'd better go back to Internal Volume and switch off Volume Levelling and Adaptive Volume? Which solution will be better for the sound quality?
 
I would also like to ask if up-sampling can improve sound quality or there is no clear benefit here.

IMHO I would love that they just give an option to use Replay Gain instead of this new ultra-conservative standard.

 

[korzena]

 
I did have them all re-evaluated by JRiver itself.  They actually recommend NOT to use those two settings together since they do not work properly on a playlist or even Playing Now.  Apparently Adaptive Volume doesn't know how to lerp gain slowly over the impending songs in the list to prove a smooth experience.  Adaptive Volume is only useful for playing whole single albums they told me.  I know this because when I did enable both I was futsing with the volume control even more then without either.

In my JRiver (ver. 19), in DSP Studio window, in Volume Levelling tab, there is information saying: "The overall volume of the playlist may be reduced. Enable 'Adaptive volume'...to compensate for this." It seems they actually recommend using these two options together.
 
My question is:
Does it make sense to use Volume Levelling when Disabled Volume is in use? Or is it against the whole idea of "Disabled Volume" as Volume levelling option works in the similar way to internal volume?

 

[groovyd]

Yes that is what it says in the menu, but if you go to their forum they recommend you do not use them together for smart playlists or play now.

 

[korzena]

  Yes that is what it says in the menu, but if you go to their forum they recommend you do not use them together for smart playlists or play now.

For the last two days I have been using them both and haven't encountered any problems.
 
What's your take on j.river upsampling? Can it improve sound quality in any way?

 

[groovyd]

upsampling can never improve sound quality, only reduce it.

 

[korzena]

  upsampling can never improve sound quality, only reduce it.

I've read that upsampling can indirectly improve quality of sound with some kinds of DACs. 

 

[Fabithierry]

if you do any kind of Processing (Volume, volume leveling, resampler and etc) you must always use the "Internal Volume". This is advantageous because you get a 64bit volume and also because it allows Media Center to have as much signal headroom as possible, which is especially important if you do processing 

 

[Fabithierry]

  It's often recommended to Disable Volume to get the best sound-quality from a software player like j.river.
I did it, but as some songs play much louder than the others and I don't want to reach for the amp volume knob too often to adjust the volume, can I just use Volume Levelling option (also called Replay Gain) and still get the best sound-quality. Or using Volume Levelling destroys the whole idea of using Disabled Volume option?

Disable the Internal Volume only if you have a Hardware Volume.

 

[korzena]

  if you do any kind of Processing (Volume, volume leveling, resampler and etc) you must always use the "Internal Volume". This is advantageous because you get a 64bit volume and also because it allows Media Center to have as much signal headroom as possible, which is especially important if you do processing 

I don't quite understand. 
In j.river in DSP studio, Volume Levelling , there is an information (when you click "Options" link) saying: "Process independently of internal volume. Undo internal volume so the effect receives full-range signal." 
How to understand this?

 

[korzena]

  Disable the Internal Volume only if you have a Hardware Volume.

I did disabled Internal Volume (as I have my hardware volume knob on my amp) and I ask if using Volume Levelling at the same time makes any sense ?

 

[Fabithierry]

  I did disabled Internal Volume (as I have my hardware volume knob on my amp) and I ask if using Volume Levelling at the same time makes any sense ?

If you want a "Bit-Perfect" Output, you must to disable or set the Internal Volume at 100%, but if you do any kind of processing in Jriver (Volume leveling included) you must to use the Internal Volume for the best sound quality and precision.

 

[Fabithierry]

  I don't quite understand. 
In j.river in DSP studio, Volume Levelling , there is an information (when you click "Options" link) saying: "Process independently of internal volume. Undo internal volume so the effect receives full-range signal." 
How to understand this?

that option does'nt matter. Is just for analizers. leave it off

 

[korzena]

  If you want a "Bit-Perfect" Output, you must to disable or set the Internal Volume at 100%, but if you do any kind of processing in Jriver (Volume leveling included) you must to use the Internal Volume for the best sound quality and precision.

Thanks for the explanation! I believe I understand it more now.
 
By the way, is setting internal volume to 100% exactly the same thing as Disabling volume?

 

[Fabithierry]

  Thanks for the explanation! I believe I understand it more now.
 
By the way, is setting internal volume to 100% exactly the same thing as Disabling volume?

great!
 
yep, is the same thing