my feelings when I first listened to the Jade were same as yours... to the point that I thought to have listened to a somewhat "non-standard" Jade since I was hearing something very different from what I was reading in the initial comments here... then the second Jade confirmed the first impressions, and I immediately boght one (in sept 19, don't know exactly when it has been made). I think one of the most enjoyable strengths of these cans is exactly prat and specifically in the bass (never heard an es cans with such extended, punchy, textured and defined bass)