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Seeing as FUDave wants to trade, maybe I'll offer him one of my IE8 - the pr w/ the busted nozzle. Seems fair
(The W3's go back to Mule, of course. I'm no sheepskate)
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So clearly missing flecks of paint = broken nozzle, right?
Has anyone in this thread actually looked at the pictures Mule posted? I see headphones that have a few blemishes, but nothing serious aside from the small crack in the rubber strain-relief. You're all acting like FYDave sent him non-working Shures, which as far as I'm aware (Mule still hasn't addressed this, surprisingly) they do indeed work.
I think what this issue comes down to is miscommunication. Dave sent Mule what he thought were completely fine used headphones. Apparently Mule (and most of the rest of you) disagree (assuming you actually looked at the pictures).
And as for what linuxworks said, "
punishing mule for the mob, here, is just WRONG. " would be an apt statement, at least had Mule not
incited the mob in the first place. This trade turned from what was possibly a simple misunderstanding/miscommunication into an all-out war of words and intentions as soon as Mule posted this in the Member's Forum. At no point during this trade did Mule act appropriately. The main issue that I personally see with Mule is that he started a thread about it while he and Dave were still communicating. Dave had said that he'd send the phones out over the weekend,
which he did.
Also, Honeyboy points out that he gave Dave "the benefit of the doubt"; that is something that Mule
still has yet to do. He was quick to assume that Dave was a scammer, quick to post about it, and quick to cover his own ass. Judging by Dave's reaction, I'm sure this thread wasn't posed as, "hey, I'm nervous about the trade so I'm going to ask what the members think". Mule clearly came in here and started this thread so that if
anything with the trade didn't go in his favor, he'd already have a mob behind him.
At the end of the day, what it boils down to is this: Mule now has
functional headphones which aren't as aesthetically pleasing as he'd hope. He can replace the tips and funcionally speaking, they'll be as good as new. The fact that the headphones aren't as
pretty as
new headphones when they are, as expected,
used headphones is not all that upsetting to me. Had FYDave pretended that they were new and then they arrived in this condition, yeah I'd be pissed. But, Mule knew that he was getting used phones and never expressed any kind of concern over their condition until he started having
buyer's remorse. The simple fact here is that as much as Dave's been a jerk to Mule, Mule has deserved it in the way he has acted. I don't doubt that if Mule had actually been level-headed instead of starting this thread of personal attacks, he likely would have been able to get his headphones back. Unfortunately, he seems to consider bitching about the "awful cosmetic quality" to be more important than actually getting his phones back. If I was treated in a transaction as Dave had been, I'd be very pissed as well, and rightly so.
Throughout this whole process, Dave has been accomodating. He's apparently done his best to ship out the headphones, even asking a friend to drive him to the post office on the weekend. The post office doesn't deliver on the weekend, so Mule only waited about a week's worth of business days to get his phones. Dave was in communication with Mule the whole time. I could understand starting the thread if Dave wasn't responsive, but it seems as though he was. Even when Mule got the headphones, he had the option of contacting Dave and saying, "Hey, I'm not really satisfied with these, can we reverse the trade?" Instead, he decided to post pics in the thread and bitch some more instead of confronting Dave directly. Basically, if Mule had treated this trade like a mature adult, Dave likely would have continued to do the same. But, when Mule acted like a middle-school brat and posted on here without even talking to Dave first, he put himself on this slippery slope that he's now on in regards to his headphones. Ethics and morals aside, Mule did not act intelligently enough to keep the trade going as a business deal, and expecting Dave to return the headphones at this point after how Mule has treated him is probably a bit foolish. While what Dave is doing isn't exactly right, nor would I personally do it, I can understand where he's coming from.
