Redcarmoose
Headphoneus Supremus
Good afternoon) Sorry, I'm writing through a translator ... I see a big discussion on the H50 here, I decided to ask, maybe someone knows. I use H40, I listen to them with Hiby R3 from balance ... and there is Xduoo 05 Plus with bursons, sometimes I listen through it. On the H40, there was more midbass and it was difficult to control it, I looked at the grill mod ... I ordered grills and took out the filter. The bass picked up, became more penetratingly articulated, the midbass became smaller ... But the middle went down, adding a little brightness at high frequencies.
In terms of growth and renewal, I began to look at the H50, as it was believed that the H50 is free from these shortcomings and their presentation is similar to the "W" more suitable for me. But most of all, the quality and quantity of sub-bass worries ... I'm not a 100% fan of exclusively low frequencies)) But I love low frequencies to infra-low, and I'm not interested in the amount of bass as such, but I'm interested in its quality, density, elasticity, filling, articulation , attack ... How it happens that it is not difficult to implement mid-bass, so I was interested in sub-bass that speaks better than in H40, well, or some other headphones with all the exceptional features of H50. I understand that when choosing other headphones, I can lose detail and a good extended midrange ... And a good midrange in our time in such a budget is, in principle, a rarity.
One good person with extensive listening experience suggested instead of H50, Intime Shodd, Fiio Eclipse, 7 Hertz Timeless, Snorry 12, Kinera Nanna, Mangird Tea or IMR Elan, consider as an alternative to used ... namely, taking into account the expense better sub-bass without losing the characteristics that the H50 has at mid and high frequencies.
And so I wanted to ask in this thread if this is so and maybe someone had the experience of comparing the H50 with the headphones from the list ..
From what I managed to look for 7 Hertz Timeless, there are several revisions.
The Snorry 12 is the same as the 7 Hertz Timeless, but without the sub-bass.
Intime Shodd - emphasis on sub-bass ... The rest of the frequency range suffers (
Such a great answer to his question.I will first summarise my understanding of your post, so correct me if I get anything wrong.
You are a user of the H40s and you find the mid-bass excessive, so after a few changes you made to reduce the mid-bass, you found the mid-bass was better but the midrange had suffered because of your changes. What you want is less mid-bass , more sub-bass without losing the midrange.
You are now considering whether to buy the H50s or another set of earphones which you listed. You would like to hear the experience of those who have heard the H50s and some of the earphones you listed.
If my summary of your post is correct then it seems to me that the H50s would be great for you.
My only experience of the earphones you listed are the H50s and 7Hz Timeless.
First the 7Hz Timeless: the Timeless is interesting and fun, but my experience of the sub-bass (and I like my sub-bass) is that it is not as prominent (quantity) or as rich (quality) as the H50s. I am also wary of the different variations of the Timeless, quite apart from the fact that I had to send my set back to China to be replaced. I have a replacement set now, but just be aware that there is no guarantee of what you will get with the Timeless.
IMR Elan: I have 5 different sets of IMR earphones but not the IMR Elan. However, generally my experience of IMR is that they have prominent mid-bass. That is not to say they lack sub-bass or that the midrange is recessed. You also get the benefit of being able to fine tune your IMR using nozzles and filters. However, as you find the H40s heavy on mid-bass and you want more from your midrange, my advice is that you are better off with the H50s.
The H50s are to me, W-shaped sound signature. In fact to my ears they have satisfying sub-bass, mid-bass is measured and can be impactful but does not dominant, as they do on the H40s. The H40s are excellent outdoors as the mid-bass overides the outdoor noise, but for me, they have too much mid-bass indoors. The H50s have outstanding midrange and brilliant highs. For me the resolution is incredible.
The H50s are an underestimated set of earphones in my view. Just remember, not to try to sleep with the H50s in your ears, if you have a tendency to listen for every detail. I cannot have them in my ears when trying to sleep, because they are quite detailed, even very low volume (below 5%) does not take away the details.....the H50s pick up everything in the recording.
As you said you used a translator application, I have used everyday language for an english language speaker but if there is anything you do not understand using the translator or you have any other questions, just ask.
If I can add something less direct, this is a section from my review of the H50. I actually only heard the H40 on the list of comparisons, though I do think the difference from the H40 in general is exactly what he is looking for! Really they nailed it with the H50 tune!
From my review:
“Sound generalizations:
If your coming from the legendary ISN H40 presentation there is a lot to be excited about. I feel ISN studied the H40 response and had the imagination to progress one step further. Except that one step outcome is a whole different deal. The IEM landscape is always changing and it’s important to introduce new and innovative tuning to keep up with whatever else is being offered by other manufactures. Only ISN outdid themselves here, they truly did. They went and added a subtle boost of midrange to the H40 tune, they also bumped the upper treble a hair. Just those small changes made a hugely different sound experience. Due to the upper midrange and upper treble boost there became a soundstage expansion. Next they included a whole new style of bass DD. Gone is the mid-bass authority of the H40, replaced by a tailored bass response that comes from a new 10mm Composite Diaghram Dynamic Driver. Such sophistication here means there is a separation between the midrange and bass driver. These 3 sound-bands coalesce together in place due to a 3-way crossover network. Thus each is represented in absolute singular clarity. I can’t help but imagine the 2 treble balanced armatures go to balance that beefy low end. This is the contrast I was eluding to earlier. If ISN has the wild idea to add EST drivers to a new flagship IEM, and offer an expansion of this tune, I would be worried the softness of those new ESTs couldn’t compete with the clarity provided by just the way this set-up performs? Those two treble BAs are precious. Meaning this is the ultimate ISN sound. IMO I truly don’t know how it can be improved upon? It’s absolutely beautiful, seamless and complete.
Because the H50 is so well rounded there is no correction to seek. Meaning it works well with every amp and source I have. Though because of the way the treble and bass balance each other I found a style of heaven with the more mid-centric Sony Walkman WM1A. So the 1A will be used for these sound impressions, but really any amps I have will result in pretty much the same overall sound. Crazy as it seems, even tips were not a concern here, meaning, yes, they did something but every style of response was ultimately acceptable. We were never needing a tip to make the sound correct, as there was so much leeway to be found.”
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/isn-h50.25550/reviews#review-28946