sfgiants2010
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What would you say the cutoff is where you would need something more powerful than an e6? HD598? HD600? HD650? HE400?
What would you say the cutoff is where you would need something more powerful than an e6? HD598? HD600? HD650? HE400?
An HD598 with an E6 or an incredibly transparent NoAmp might be fine. HD6x0 and HE400 benefit from something more powerful than an E6.
Well, my HD558 can be driven to deafening levels out of my laptop, Total BitHead, and miniscule Sansa Zip. AFAIK, the HD558 and HD598 have roughly the same impedance (~50 ohms) and efficiency numbers.
The HD6x0 have much higher impedance (~300 ohms). The E6 might struggle delivering power to these cans without clipping due to voltage swing limitations (not necessarily power.) From the numbers I've seen the E6 struggles with ~150 ohm loads....
The HE400 might require quite a bit of current given their planar magnetic nature.
Why do the HE400 require so much power with such modest specs (35ohms and 92.5 db/mw sensitivity)? Same with the Mad Dogs, because people say they are as power hungry as LCD2's, when they are only 50 ohms and unmodded can be easily run off of nearly anything.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/604583/hifiman-he-400-impressions-and-discussion-thread/1605
Well I feel like a fool, but also very optimistic.
I tried driving them directly from the Clip+, and it turns out a Sansa Clip+ can pump vastly more juice than an iBasso D-Zero, which I've now realised is only good as a cheap portable DAC.
Higher volume straight out of the Clip at a given volume setting as opposed to through the D-Zero maxed out, and the sibilance is gone, replaced with a comfortable serving of bass. I'm enjoying them as much as my UM3Xs, which is saying a lot compared with their previous unlistenable status.. Battery life takes a huge hit straight to the face though - I'd estimate 3hrs rather than the usual 10+
Why do the HE400 require so much power with such modest specs (35ohms and 92.5 db/mw sensitivity)? Same with the Mad Dogs, because people say they are as power hungry as LCD2's, when they are only 50 ohms and unmodded can be easily run off of nearly anything.
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An amp should probably be able to drive a headphone to about 115 dB to cover large dynamic range recordings.
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The E6 might be able to drive them to 90 SPL (33 mW peak) though.
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He did go all an about the allegedly mighty and apparently unloved NJM4556 indeed, and those numbers are apparently from a cMoy with that opamp installed. NwOpAmpGuy claims those numbers are w/o gain. The prufeshional genier dood does not seem to provide 33 ohm power numbers for the cMoy w gain (same NJM4566 amp), but it is supposed to give about the same juice to 150 ohms and a bit more into 15 ohms (all at the expense of distortion of course.) JDS Labs cMoy uses the OPA2227 instead so numbers are probably different with it.
That really depends on the dynamic range of the music, and the loudness preferences of the listener (of course, snobs will never admit that they are listening very loud). With less dynamic (and more popular) music, even ~100 dB peaks could be enough, and that is more than 30 times less power. On the other hand, I have seen people on these forums, who find devices capable of 120 dB peaks with their headphones "too quiet". But it also looks like many think their amp is "underpowered" if they need to set more than about 50% volume, even if it would in fact work fine without clipping at 100% volume.
By the way, many dynamic headphones struggle to produce much more than 100 dB SPL in the bass range without heavy distortion. Listening at extreme volume is not only harmful to hearing, but may also not be "high fidelity".
It can drive them to ~110.7 dB SPL, and the Mad Dogs to ~108.5 dB SPL. There is also some random variation between headphones, so in practice it may be a couple dB more or less.
The OPA2227 is specified to have a short circuit current of 45 mA, which only allows for about 50 mW into 50 Ω, not much more than the E6. Additionally, the JDS Labs cMoy does use a TLE2426 rail splitter (or - optionally - two of them in parallel), that limits the short circuit current to about 30 mA (or 60 in the parallel configuration), which is shared between the two channels. So, the most pessimistic estimate into 50 Ω (both channels driven, only one TLE2426, one 9V battery) is less than 6 mW.
can the fiio e6 drive 80 ohms?
can the fiio e6 drive 80 ohms?
Depends on the headphone sensitivity. What headphone do you have in mind?
Beyerdynamic DT770 80 Ohm