InEarZ (Fisher Hearing) Custom Remold Owner's Thread

[Fungus]

  Westone has  slicon tips on their customs and i have never had an issue with them, nor have i heard of issues. I a not sure if Westone uses the same silicone as inearz, but Westone has been doing it much longer.

Westone actual use vinyl heat-sensitive tips, not silicone.

I wonder which material is more durable?  

 

[Fungus]

Is it just me or do the canals on mine look a little shorter than the norm? 
 

 

[chef8489]

Westone actual use vinyl heat-sensitive tips, not silicone.


I wonder which material is more durable?  

Why do you think it's vinyl when everyone else in the industry uses silicon for soft iems? I will ask when I talk to them either today or tomorrow.

 

[Fungus]

Why do you think it's vinyl when everyone else in the industry uses silicon for soft iems? I will ask when I talk to them either today or tomorrow.

Well, I know many companies use silicon for the whole body but from my knowledge, only inearz and westone offers acrylic body and silicon/vinyl canal option. Correct me if I'm wrong. I just read this in an in-depth review of the es3x saying the canals are vinyl heat-sensitive tips

 

[chef8489]

Well, I know many companies use silicon for the whole body but from my knowledge, only inearz and westone offers acrylic body and silicon/vinyl canal option. Correct me if I'm wrong. I just read this in an in-depth review of the es3x saying the canals are vinyl heat-sensitive tips

There are a few companies I have seen over the years offer this option, but i can't think of them off the top of my head. When I talk with Westone either today or tomorrow I will let you know if it's vinyl or silicon. My westone I have had over the years held up as well as any of my acrylic customs.

 

[jleewachter]

I had InEarz reshell some Klipsch Custom 3s for me several years ago, and they were great. I've since had a pair of Westone UM Pro 30s that had the right earpiece die after two years of owning (and babying them) which still irks me. I know it's not a cable issue since I've tried cleaning the contacts & trying different cables.
 
Do you guys think Inearz would be able to tell whether they could reshell these guys & somehow miraculously get the right earpiece working again since Westone absolutely refuses to attempt to repair them out of warranty? (I even offered paying for repair; they told me I had to buy a whole new set.) Maybe bypassing the stupid MMCX connection would fix the issue?

 

[chef8489]

  I had InEarz reshell some Klipsch Custom 3s for me several years ago, and they were great. I've since had a pair of Westone UM Pro 30s that had the right earpiece die after two years of owning (and babying them) which still irks me. I know it's not a cable issue since I've tried cleaning the contacts & trying different cables.
 
Do you guys think Inearz would be able to tell whether they could reshell these guys & somehow miraculously get the right earpiece working again since Westone absolutely refuses to attempt to repair them out of warranty? (I even offered paying for repair; they told me I had to buy a whole new set.) Maybe bypassing the stupid MMCX connection would fix the issue?

I doubt it, but you could call them and ask. If it were a westoe custom a repair from westone would be no issue as you just pay for the repair.

 

[chef8489]

Just talked to Westone and its acutally a soft acrylic material not a vinyl or silicon they use.

 

[Fungus]

Just talked to Westone and its acutally a soft acrylic material not a vinyl or silicon they use.

Yeah that's what I was afraid of. It explains why there are no complains from anybody about the soft canals breaking over time with westone which does make scene since the heat reactive arylic is the same material used for the rest of the body and westone would be able to mixed in the mould to form a a uni body shell hence eliminating any chance of the separating due to having no seam.

I doubt inearz are able to utilize a uni body with the silicon they use for the tips. I think they just add material on top and smooth out the seam. Arhh I should of went without the soft canals. It's hard to be skeptical about the silicon separating when you have a soft material simply added into a hard material.
I know something was different when I got mine back? The canals just felt way softer than westone before re-shelled

 

[Fungus]

I had InEarz reshell some Klipsch Custom 3s for me several years ago, and they were great. I've since had a pair of Westone UM Pro 30s that had the right earpiece die after two years of owning (and babying them) which still irks me. I know it's not a cable issue since I've tried cleaning the contacts & trying different cables.

Do you guys think Inearz would be able to tell whether they could reshell these guys & somehow miraculously get the right earpiece working again since Westone absolutely refuses to attempt to repair them out of warranty? (I even offered paying for repair; they told me I had to buy a whole new set.) Maybe bypassing the stupid MMCX connection would fix the issue?

Well if its any consolation, the ex3x that I just back from inearz re-shelled were original original purchase from a guy in headfi who advertised them as not function. The volume in the left monitor had almost no sound coming out. I took the risk and it paid off. Turned out the filters were just blocked. $60 well spend, even had the original paperwork and pelican like case.

I doubt it's anything but the drivers since many people have reported their um3x starting working again after dipping into alcohol and keeping it submerge until it seeps into the components.

 

[Fungus]

Can it be possible for CIEM with silicone tips to also be a unibody design? I mean can't silicon be poured into the tip of the mold before filling it with acrylic? 
 
The silicon tips are far softer than the acrylic reactive tips from Westone. 
Also, I noticed the edge of the silicon sound bore walls from inearz is much thinner than the acrylic canals from Westone.
 
However, a previous Westone ciem owners said he had not issued with the soft tips after years of constant use.  
 
I sure hope it isn't sure for silicon tips to weaken and eventually detach from the acrylic shell.
 
Despite appearances, I always thought silicon was a good bonding material for sealing up hard and soft surfaces hence why it is the preferred application for sealing up gaps and leaks. However, after a bit of research, I seem silicon only bonds well to glass, not acrylic. 
 
However if one were to acquire methylene chloride or other acrylic adhesive and one of those plastic bottles with the needle at the end and use it to deposit adhesive at the corner or seam, and then moves between the two surfaces via capillary action, the adhesive will melt and fuse an acrylic surface. I hope this is what inearz has done. 
 
Or another alternate would be for Inearz to use Weld-on 3 and weld-on 16 to reinforce the seam further on the inside seams. Apparently, this product contains acrylic in it, not just the chemical that welds the acrylic like in the weld-on 3 product (Westone did their research). The weld-on 16 on the inside of the tank and the weld-on 3 on the outside. If there is the separation between the acrylic where it's white/cloudy, then the capillary action will basically suck the weld-on 3 right into that cavity. 
 
So there seem to be many ways for the silicon tips to secure the acrylic body after all without a single unibody design.  
 
 
 
 
 

 

[Fungus]

I just got a reply from Kaysen saying the silicon/UV won't fall out but will go hard and brittle after 5-6 years which I'd then need a new remold.
 
Apparently, the tip can't be added on

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I wonder if it would be possible to just continue using it after it goes hard. Am I guessing the tips will shatter?    

 

[Lil' Fish]

The tips aren't made separately. They are poured together, then cured together in the UV oven.  We use a soft UV material which does fuse with the hard UV acrylic with no splitting or separating unless ripped or torn apart with force.
 
I haven't had one person tell me their tips fell off, or shattered yet. We have been doing soft canals for a long time. We have been making shooters plugs/hearing aids for over 10 years with the soft tips. 
 
Don't worry about the soft tip. If you see cracking eventually (probably 4-5 years, and after they are pulled or forced to crack) then let me know and we will take care of it

 

[chef8489]

  The tips aren't made separately. They are poured together, then cured together in the UV oven.  We use a soft UV material which does fuse with the hard UV acrylic with no splitting or separating unless ripped or torn apart with force.
 
I haven't had one person tell me their tips fell off, or shattered yet. We have been doing soft canals for a long time. We have been making shooters plugs/hearing aids for over 10 years with the soft tips. 
 
Don't worry about the soft tip. If you see cracking eventually (probably 4-5 years, and after they are pulled or forced to crack) then let me know and we will take care of it

Thanks Kaysen for the clarification.

 

[jleewachter]

Well if its any consolation, the um3x that I just back from inearz re-shelled were original original purchase from a guy in headfi who advertised them as not function. The volume in the left monitor had almost no sound coming out. I took the risk and it paid off. Turned out the filters were just blocked. $60 well spend, even had the original paperwork and pelican like case.

I doubt it's anything but the drivers since many people have reported their um3x starting working again after dipping into alcohol and keeping it submerge until it seeps into the components.

 
You've got to be kidding me. I just soaked my right monitor in the 91% alcohol solution just out of pure curiosity based on what you said, and the damn thing is working perfectly again. What the heck is the reasoning for this? I've been trying to clean the connectors many times, and it never fixed it, but soaking the whole damn monitor in alcohol, allowing the insides to be completely soaked with the stuff fixes the problem? That seems extremely counterintuitive & I'm shocked that it actually worked.
 
I don't know if I should be relieved that they're fixed, or pissed that I had to resort to soaking a (very expensive) electrical component into alcohol for it to work again since Westone refused to help me?