iFi iDSD Micro DSD512 / PCM768 DAC and Headphone Amp. Impressions, Reviews and Comments.
Jan 4, 2016 at 1:31 PM Post #5,026 of 9,047
Have I misunderstood?

What are these DSD 48k files?

How is that different from DSD64?

 
DSD64 can be either 44.1K (44,100 x 64= 2,822,400 Hz) or 48K based (48000 x 64 = 3,072,000 Hz).
 
There no 48K files available AFAIK but it is possible to covert 48/96/192KHz PCM files realtime to DSD6/128/256/512 using Foobar or HQPlayer.
 
Jan 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM Post #5,027 of 9,047
Have I misunderstood?


What are these DSD 48k files?


How is that different from DSD64?


DSD64 can be either 44.1K (44,100 x 64= 2,822,400 Hz) or 48K based (48000 x 64 = 3,072,000 Hz).

There no 48K files available AFAIK but it is possible to covert 48/96/192KHz PCM files realtime to DSD6/128/256/512 using Foobar or HQPlayer.


OK.

That still leaves me with a question. Clearly foo_dsd_asio does not convert the 48k files to DSD. The iDSD is receiving PCM.

Is this because:

a) foo_dsd_asio cannot do the conversion?

or

b) foo_dsd_asio has queried the iDSD which says no can't do it so foo_dsd_asio then intelligently sends out the PCM instead?

Great if it's the latter as a future firmware upgrade might fix it.
 
Jan 4, 2016 at 3:57 PM Post #5,028 of 9,047
OK.

That still leaves me with a question. Clearly foo_dsd_asio does not convert the 48k files to DSD. The iDSD is receiving PCM.

Is this because:

a) foo_dsd_asio cannot do the conversion?

or

b) foo_dsd_asio has queried the iDSD which says no can't do it so foo_dsd_asio then intelligently sends out the PCM instead?

Great if it's the latter as a future firmware upgrade might fix it.


The iFi Micro iDSD can play DSD at either 44k or 48k rates.  I'm currently listening to a 24/96 file upsampled to 12,288,000 (i.e., DSD256, a 48k variant) via HQPlayer.
 
Jan 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM Post #5,029 of 9,047
OK.

That still leaves me with a question. Clearly foo_dsd_asio does not convert the 48k files to DSD. The iDSD is receiving PCM.

Is this because:

a) foo_dsd_asio cannot do the conversion?

or

b) foo_dsd_asio has queried the iDSD which says no can't do it so foo_dsd_asio then intelligently sends out the PCM instead?

Great if it's the latter as a future firmware upgrade might fix it.

 
The proxy`s trace file would point to option b.
 
TBH I believe there is a problem in the way foo_dsd_queries the iDSD. If I'm right it asks for native DSD supported rates independently of the output mode selected and when source PCM is 48/96/192 it gets a negative and passes through unprocessed.
As this plugin can be configured either for outputtinh native DSD or DoP, if any of the latter modes is selected it should query for supported DoP rates instead of native ASIO. If if worked that way it would be able to play up to 48k based DSD256 which is supported by the micro. The problem with Xmos drivers and 48k DSD only affects native DSD through ASIO, DoP is OK.
 
Jan 4, 2016 at 5:11 PM Post #5,031 of 9,047
   
In Windows, OSX or Linux?
 
In Windows+HQPlayer I get those only if I select DoP under "SDM Pack" and then, of course, DSD512 is not available.


OS X.
 
. . . and I'm using DoP at DSD256, not DSD512.
 
Sorry, I thought you were asking if the 48k variants were supported - didn't notice you were talking about ASIO / DSD512.
 
Jan 5, 2016 at 2:25 AM Post #5,032 of 9,047
OK.

That still leaves me with a question. Clearly foo_dsd_asio does not convert the 48k files to DSD. The iDSD is receiving PCM.

Is this because:

a) foo_dsd_asio cannot do the conversion?

or

b) foo_dsd_asio has queried the iDSD which says no can't do it so foo_dsd_asio then intelligently sends out the PCM instead?

Great if it's the latter as a future firmware upgrade might fix it.

 
Hi,
 
It does if set to DoP, which of course limits DSD to DSD256.
 
The ASIO 2.2 Spec from Steinberg (downloadable from http://www.steinberg.net/en/company/developers.html) references only 44.1kHz based DSD.  Steinberg in turn references Sony. So strictly speaking 48kHz based DSD is not "legal" under ASIO Specifications up to Version 2.3.
 
We agree that all of this is a bit silly, but short of having someone write a one-off Driver, which then would not be ASIO compliant to the letter of the spec, this is the situation we are left with.
 
In general the whole ASIO System seems to attract almost zero development effort, it is not supported on Mac OSX and support under Linux is patchy (and we are being generous).
 
Hence we put a LOT of R&D effort behind DoP and solving some of the issues that plague DoP. Our Firmware release 5.0 includes all these fixes. Only limitation at the moment, no DSD512.
 
We may be able to support DSD512 via DoP in a future release for iDSD micro and Retro (the hardware is capable). 
 
However this is as of now not a huge priority, as this in effect requires PCM 1.536MHz support, which does not, to our best knowledge, exist formally on any computing platform. 768kHz is the highest sample rate officially defined. At least you guys know your gear is future-proofed.
 
Incidentally, this is why the internal R&D project name for the micro iDSD was 'Millenium Falcon' as it made the 'hyperspace jump' to DSD512 and PCM768. 
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Jan 5, 2016 at 4:48 AM Post #5,033 of 9,047
I have some noob question here. Currently my setup is MBPr > Ifi > HD800. What other portable transporter is best suit? I tried Fiio X3ii X5ii, Ibasso DX50 DX80 and etc they all sound bad.
 
Jan 5, 2016 at 8:07 AM Post #5,034 of 9,047
  I have some noob question here. Currently my setup is MBPr > Ifi > HD800. What other portable transporter is best suit? I tried Fiio X3ii X5ii, Ibasso DX50 DX80 and etc they all sound bad.

 
 
Hi,
 
We use Sony Android phones (and apple iPhone). For the Sony, any of the Z series will work and they take SD micro cards. You need an OTG cable (though max SD capacity will vary between early and later models).
 
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Jan 5, 2016 at 9:10 AM Post #5,036 of 9,047
Hi guys,

How to connect ifi micro idsd to ps3? Ps3 has optical out.

 
With TOSlink (optical) cable of course, though I do believe you will need to disable multi channel output in PS3 for it to work with micro iDSD - can't confirm this as I don't own PS3.
 
Jan 5, 2016 at 9:43 AM Post #5,037 of 9,047
 
Hi
 
I tried with an USB HUB with own power supply but with no success, now I am tying Hibernating the Mac instead of simple memory sleep
 
Regards

 
Hi,
 
An active USB hub SHOULD keep the power on.
 
So in the case of the iUSB3,0, then people leave it set to 'ON' so the connection does not drop.
 
Cheers.
 
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