I meant compatible with Roon and Audirvana network (ethernet) streaming, not just directly-attached USB.
Ah I see. Not such an obvious answer to that one then.
I meant compatible with Roon and Audirvana network (ethernet) streaming, not just directly-attached USB.
iTube has '3D for Speakers', not '3D for Headphones'.
Bro, precisely. Katie88 has an Icon Audio Stereo 60 MkII. An integrated Amp.
iTube has '3D for Speakers', not '3D for Headphones'.
Like Katie88, I'm irritated by the Pro iDSD and Pro iCAN. They are twice their original target price and really only make sense as a pair but then there is a lot of unnecessary duplication in those two boxes. I'm going to stick with what I have (which sounds ridiculously good already) and see what iFi eventually does next.
I would like to see an end to the obsession with small boxes. Get a bigger box and put all the functionality in it without the duplication. Add a pair of nice analogue VU meters and we're good to go.
I really shouldn't be so aggravated- it's your product after all and you're not forcing me to purchase it. I guess had you decided to name it Pro iDAC rather than Pro iDSD, I wouldn't have set my hopes on it having the same functionality, which I've enjoyed so much, brought forward from the iDSD model in the micro series.
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Our aim is to deliver as of quality and functional products as possible. The core functionality comes in as first, yet to implement our own proprietary tech where it makes sense is our way to go. It can be seen as 'unnecessary duplication' or as yet another feature, usable if needed or the other way around if not.
If we'll go after a headphone integrated of the Pro family, this community will be the very first to know. For now it is what it is and what is, makes us really proud. Just wait and see
All good. We understand you, we really do. At times people don't agree with us, which is perfectly fine. Yet at the same time we're here to explain why we do what we do.
I know you may not want to hear this, but I also agree that it doesn't make sense to incorporate headphone amp functionality into the iDSD Pro. It's a DAC. Anyone with the kind of $$$ to buy the iDSD Pro is going to by an ICAN Pro if they want a headphone amp. There's no point in duplicating functions.
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I actually disagree, IFI products are relatively affordable, and for me, whole point of getting them is for the compact design and feature rich functions that punches above it's class. It's what makes the iDSD Micro so great because its versatile while sounding excellent. Another member already said this, it's because iFi decided to call it a iDSD Pro vs. iDAC Pro, the expectation is it includes everything that made iDSD Micro great and build on it.
iTube has '3D for Speakers', not '3D for Headphones'.
Like Katie88, I'm irritated by the Pro iDSD and Pro iCAN. They are twice their original target price and really only make sense as a pair but then there is a lot of unnecessary duplication in those two boxes. I'm going to stick with what I have (which sounds ridiculously good already) and see what iFi eventually does next.
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Let's address this features/naming/etc. kerfuffle once more.
The iDSD Pro uses a cut down version (lower supply voltage, less Class A current and fewer output devices than iCAN Pro) of the circuitry first used in the iCAN Pro.
Its audio circuitry is mainly designed as line-driver in class A down to 600 ohm loads. However, many good line drivers can handle headphones very adequately, especially this one.
As we had requests to have headphone outputs available they were added given it just took a few parts.
The iCAN Pro has more output (Voltage / Current / Power), stays in Class A for much greater signal levels and/or impedances and offers much more flexibility in connection and headphone matching, including X-Bass & 3D-Matrix.
The iDSD Pro should be seen as a flagship DAC dedicated to offer the best possible (balanced) Line Out, that also allows you to plug in reasonably easy to drive headphones (like those of many of our competitors).
But neither it is a match for the iCAN Pro when it comes to headphone use nor is it a product primarily conceived to drive headphones.
In terms of positioning, despite the iDSD name, the iDSD Pro corresponds more to our micro iDAC2, hence a line level source meant to be paired with a dedicated headphone amp for serious headphone use.
Pro iDSD is deep down inside our iDAC2 of the Pro line. But neither we're going to rename it, nor will there be an "all in one" Pro series product that would be similar to the micro iDSD. The iDSD Pro will be the only DAC in the Pro lineup.
I for one never intended on the iDSD Pro being an all-in-one solution. I've always thought of it being part of a system with the Pro iCan being the amp and the iDSD Pro being the DAC. I like that it includes a headphone jack but it shouldn't be as capable as the Pro iCan. Your approach with the iDSD Pro is spot on in my opinion and I can't wait to complete my Pro Series stack when it becomes available.Let's address this features/naming/etc. kerfuffle once more.
The iDSD Pro uses a cut down version (lower supply voltage, less Class A current and fewer output devices than iCAN Pro) of the circuitry first used in the iCAN Pro.
Its audio circuitry is mainly designed as line-driver in class A down to 600 ohm loads. However, many good line drivers can handle headphones very adequately, especially this one.
As we had requests to have headphone outputs available they were added given it just took a few parts.
The iCAN Pro has more output (Voltage / Current / Power), stays in Class A for much greater signal levels and/or impedances and offers much more flexibility in connection and headphone matching, including X-Bass & 3D-Matrix.
The iDSD Pro should be seen as a flagship DAC dedicated to offer the best possible (balanced) Line Out, that also allows you to plug in reasonably easy to drive headphones (like those of many of our competitors).
But neither it is a match for the iCAN Pro when it comes to headphone use nor is it a product primarily conceived to drive headphones.
In terms of positioning, despite the iDSD name, the iDSD Pro corresponds more to our micro iDAC2, hence a line level source meant to be paired with a dedicated headphone amp for serious headphone use.
Pro iDSD is deep down inside our iDAC2 of the Pro line. But neither we're going to rename it, nor will there be an "all in one" Pro series product that would be similar to the micro iDSD. The iDSD Pro will be the only DAC in the Pro lineup.