iFi Audio Nano iDSD discussion + impression
Jan 8, 2015 at 9:59 AM Post #1,096 of 2,063
Hi guys how do I get the nano to work with my iMac


It's very simple actually as the Mac natively recognizes the Nano. Once you plug it into the sub port it will show up as an output device under preferences > sound. But the easiest is to turn on your favorite player, audirvana/amarra/etc, and select the Nano in preferences.

Good luck
 
Jan 8, 2015 at 2:21 PM Post #1,098 of 2,063
Hi guys,
I have purchased iDSD nano recently. So far I am using it as a substitute DAC for E10, connected to Schiit Asgard. Headgear is DT990 pro 250ohm, HD650, shure se210. So far the change from E10 wasn´t as significant as I would expected it to be. On 192/24 FLAC I can hear the sound is more detailed, punchier, however the difference isn´t as great. Now I want to try some DSD format. I´ve downloaded some free sample tracks, they are all ind .dsf format and I am unable to play it in foobar. I know foobar can downsample (or convert) but that wouldn´t be the native DSD feature of Nano, would it? I am sort of new to hifi (half a year since my first HP), so I apologize for my lack of knowledge...:)
 
Jan 8, 2015 at 3:40 PM Post #1,099 of 2,063
There is a post about how to get native DSD working in foobar2000 here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/711217/idsd-micro-crowd-designed-phase-3-show-a-little-leg-what-is-it-page-132/1950#post_11010460

:cool:
 
Jan 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM Post #1,100 of 2,063
Please see the linked guide at the end of my post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/683406/ifi-audio-nano-idsd-discussion-impression/900#post_10985738
 
Jan 9, 2015 at 4:25 AM Post #1,102 of 2,063
Finally, I am listening to DSD, the purple light on my nano is lit, the sound is incredibly detailed and natural, now I can fully recognize the lack of detail of DT990 compared to HD650.
thx for help again
 
Jan 9, 2015 at 5:09 AM Post #1,104 of 2,063
Jan 9, 2015 at 8:43 AM Post #1,107 of 2,063
I made an enquiry to VOX about their DSD playback, as the screen shows 88.2 kHz in the screen when playing back a DSD track via the iDSD Nano. I wanted to ask if this meant that the DSD was being converted to PCM. This is the response:
 
DoP means "DSD over PCM", that's the point - DSD is first converted to PCM, then delivered. VOX shows the actual output PCM sample rate here.
 
VOX cannot play DSD native (as many other players also) because it would require to support DSD audio interfaces which currently we do not.
 
So basically, the are saying that DoP requires a conversion to PCM, but I was under the impression that DoP resulted in native DSD, just wrapped in the PCM stream? Other media players have DoP and PCM conversion as two separate options. So it appears that VOX cannot deliver native DSD yet?
 
Jan 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM Post #1,108 of 2,063
  I made an enquiry to VOX about their DSD playback, as the screen shows 88.2 kHz in the screen when playing back a DSD track via the iDSD Nano. I wanted to ask if this meant that the DSD was being converted to PCM. This is the response:
 
DoP means "DSD over PCM", that's the point - DSD is first converted to PCM, then delivered. VOX shows the actual output PCM sample rate here.
 
VOX cannot play DSD native (as many other players also) because it would require to support DSD audio interfaces which currently we do not.
 
So basically, the are saying that DoP requires a conversion to PCM, but I was under the impression that DoP resulted in native DSD, just wrapped in the PCM stream? Other media players have DoP and PCM conversion as two separate options. So it appears that VOX cannot deliver native DSD yet?

 
Hi,
 
You are correct in your assumptions.
 
Here is the DoP industry standard document:
 
http://dsd-guide.com/dop-open-standard
 
- so you can see DoP is not "Converting DSD to PCM".
 
- if the device plays DSD viaDoP both the iDSD nano and Micro will decode it and show the correct colour for DSD.
 
- if they show the sample rate as 88K or similar then it is not being sent as DoP DSD but converted to standard PCM.
 
 
Sony can show DSD output as PCM and DSD???

 
For example, we demo with the Sony Xperia and Z2 (tablets and phones).
 
They all have the Walkman Hi-Res app. It "plays" DSD but it actual transcodes to PCM176.6 (nice quality but not the point).
 
So using the Walkman app to play DSD, the nano / micro iDSD will show PCM 176!
 
BUT using UAPP to play DSD on the same Sony devices, the nano / micro will show DSD playing.
 
By the way, we love these Sony devices but we are just highlighting how things work "behind the curtain".
 
We hope this sheds more light.
 
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Jan 9, 2015 at 4:12 PM Post #1,109 of 2,063
So Coppertino say that there software currently converts to PCM and at 88.2Khz it seems, but not sure of the word length. However, this is a new addition and welcomed and they are aware that DoP is desirable and they take customer feedback seriously, so I would guess it will be added within 6 months, but this is only my guess, not based on any proper indication from Coppertino. Hopefully they will add DoP to the upcoming iPhone App too.
 
I've not tried any DXD files with VOX btw, but will try. See how these sound on the Nano!
 

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