Aug 11, 2023 at 7:26 AM Post #196 of 512
To: @Mr BubbaHyde iFi sponsor. There don't seem to be many reviews at all out in the wild. With such a unique product you would think there would be more buzz out there. Do you have any major reviewers publishing their thoughts on the Phantom any time soon? For a major flagship introduction, things seem very quiet.

I'm not Mr.Bubba Hyde, but given that this is in essence the iCAN Pro & iESL Pro in one box (and without the flexibility of the iESL to use alternative amplifiers), just read a review of iCAN Pro for anything non-ESL and iCAN Pro + iESL Pro for anything ESL.

Thor
 
Aug 11, 2023 at 7:40 AM Post #197 of 512
It is implied that by combining these devices Ifi has made circuit changes and enhancements that somehow make the e-stat portion of the Phantom better. I’m just wondering why after all the initial publicity at introduction there have been few in depth reviews of their unique flagship product.
 
Aug 11, 2023 at 8:30 AM Post #198 of 512
It is implied that by combining these devices Ifi has made circuit changes
and enhancements that somehow make the e-stat portion of the Phantom better.

Well, looking over the PCB's, I see no material design changes from my original designs.

Key differences are in the way the system is controlled, the addition of an OLED screen, replacing hardware switching with software driven push-buttons and using SD Cards for some settings (which leads to the question why you cannot use an SD Card to store all settings of the System (as here are many settings) per each headphone you own, with a lock out for the ES Headphone voltage), which would make the product easier to use.

I’m just wondering why after all the initial publicity at introduction there have been few in depth reviews of their unique flagship product.

That's on marketing. As said, in terms of sound quality I expect no change from iCAN Pro & iESL Pro.

Thor
 
Aug 11, 2023 at 4:37 PM Post #199 of 512
This amp definitely needs a more comprehensive manual (or review) - I feel I’ve only scratched the surface of its capabilities (feels almost DIY)
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 2:28 AM Post #201 of 512
Now THAT is a brilliant idea.

Maybe.

What I had in mind for ifi products around now (and which had started development) instead was to automagically detect the "impedance fingerprint" of headphones and use a memory system to memorise and automatically restore settings when the given headphone is connected.

Thor
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 2:29 AM Post #202 of 512
This amp definitely needs a more comprehensive manual (or review) - I feel I’ve only scratched the surface of its capabilities (feels almost DIY)

What do you want to know?

Thor
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 1:59 PM Post #203 of 512
Maybe.

What I had in mind for ifi products around now (and which had started development) instead was to automagically detect the "impedance fingerprint" of headphones and use a memory system to memorise and automatically restore settings when the given headphone is connected.

Thor
That’s basically what I was hoping they could achieve with the app (when it comes out) which could atleast save individual settings for different headphones.
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 2:10 PM Post #204 of 512
What do you want to know?

Thor
How the different options available in the ESL make a difference:
- AC termination adjustment - Normal, Pro & Full (which dont seem to have any effect at all on my SR-007)
- Impedance adjustment - 16, 24, 64, 96 ohms (preferred 16 Ohms as it seems loudest)
Especially when used with the universal gain adjustment (0, 9 or 18dB)
Right now am pretty much playing it by ear
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 2:19 PM Post #205 of 512
Well, looking over the PCB's, I see no material design changes from my original designs.

Key differences are in the way the system is controlled, the addition of an OLED screen, replacing hardware switching with software driven push-buttons and using SD Cards for some settings (which leads to the question why you cannot use an SD Card to store all settings of the System (as here are many settings) per each headphone you own, with a lock out for the ES Headphone voltage), which would make the product easier to use.



That's on marketing. As said, in terms of sound quality I expect no change from iCAN Pro & iESL Pro.

Thor
Looking at the compatible models printed on the stickers attached to the reverse of each SD card, I’m assuming it’s a software limitation to the number of settings that can be read from each card
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 2:32 PM Post #206 of 512
Looking at the compatible models printed on the stickers attached to the reverse of each SD card, I’m assuming it’s a software limitation to the number of settings that can be read from each card

It seems each card sets one Voltage, each voltage matches one of those designed into the original iESL Pro where they were selected by a 6-Way rotary switch.

Which has one major advantage over SD cards, much harder to loose. The models printed on the labels are exactly that, printed labels.

Even the smallest SD cards can store massive amounts of information, relative to the amount of information needed to store all relevant settings for 100's of different headphones.

Thor
 
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Aug 12, 2023 at 2:40 PM Post #207 of 512
That’s basically what I was hoping they could achieve with the app (when it comes out) which could atleast save individual settings for different headphones.

I doubt the required hardware is present, for impedance fingerprinting. It was never designed into the originals.

At best you might slots to save settings, but again, seeing that the tube/solid state switching and gain are on "hard" toggle switches, I doubt these settings can be automated. Again, Hardware limitations.

If you override the hardware switches (if possible) then the switch position indicated one thing but unit does another thing, at best suboptimal and confusing.

Thor
 
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Aug 12, 2023 at 3:12 PM Post #208 of 512
How the different options available in the ESL make a difference:

They are the same as in the iESL without change.

I doubt any reviewer could help understanding this. Nor does anyone left iFi, I think.

A lot of the options are superfluous or even potentially problematic outside a flexible stand alone unit for expert/knowledgeable enthusiast users.

I feel most of these should not have been carried over into an "integrated" unit.

- AC termination adjustment - Normal, Pro & Full (which dont seem to have any effect at all on my SR-007)

AC termination is controversial. It creates a low impedance "AC" termination, that is a short circuit for AC on the BIAS connection.

According to some having will make your headphones explode (together with your head).

In reality it reduced crosstalk at low frequencies, via the shared bias connection. It affects soundstaging and only subtly so. I personally prefer AC termination on.

It can be independently enabled for normal out only, pro out only or both. This a carry-over from the stand alone unit that used a rotary switch to select this.

- Impedance adjustment - 16, 24, 64, 96 ohms (preferred 16 Ohms as it seems loudest)

This is about matching the impedance of the iESL to driving Amplifier and/or amplifier output levels. The main adjustment is requiring either 10V input or 20V input for 320V out. It's part of making a stand alone unit flexible.

The 96 Ohm setting (and 24 Ohm) adds a protection resistor in the transformer input, this is mainly relevant with speaker amplifiers.

Think of it as kind of a gearbox, we want a constant speed (voltage at the headphone) but we have different motors (Amplifiers) to match. We do that with an adjustable reduction gear (impedance selector).

In the context of a single box unit with the electronics of the iCAN Pro, which outputs 20V RMS max, there is only one valid setting, 64 Ohm which produces 320V RMS into the headphones.

Use 16 Ohm and 24 Ohm at your own risk, this can produce up to 640V into your headphones which are rated for to only handle ~ 300V. Of course, double the voltage will be louder.

STAX originally disrecommended the iESL and noted they would no honor warranty on their headphones used with iESL, because if settings are applied wrong the extra high output voltage carries a (small) risk of damaging the headphones.

Other 3rd Party Amplifiers and even some of STAX 's own exceed 300V as well.

This was eventually resolved with STAX IIRC, but still, stick to 64 Ohm.

In my view the setting should have been either deleted and hardwired 64 Ohm for a combined unit, or the setting should have been integrated with the SD card mechanism, based on the headphones manufactureres rated maximum output.

Especially when used with the universal gain adjustment (0, 9 or 18dB)

This gain is amplifier gain. Together with the Volume control think of it as the classic gear shift and accelerator in a car.

Gain shifts gear, Volume controls the revs.

There is no specific "right" setting, it is source and headphones dependent.

A general recommendation alwith standard "potentiometer" style Volume controls is that gain should be set to allow "normal" listening levels with the control at "12 O'Clock" +/- 2.

There is no particular technical or sonic point here, other than to make sure you have enough adjustment range for volume

My own personal take is to put on a high dynamic range recording that is fairly quiet, set gain to minimum and to then turn up the volume. If I get to the end of volume control travel and want more loud, go up one gain step.

Lower gain usually means lower noise and distortion.

Thor
 
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Aug 12, 2023 at 3:55 PM Post #209 of 512
Well, looking over the PCB's, I see no material design changes from my original designs.

Key differences are in the way the system is controlled, the addition of an OLED screen, replacing hardware switching with software driven push-buttons and using SD Cards for some settings (which leads to the question why you cannot use an SD Card to store all settings of the System (as here are many settings) per each headphone you own, with a lock out for the ES Headphone voltage), which would make the product easier to use.



That's on marketing. As said, in terms of sound quality I expect no change from iCAN Pro & iESL Pro.

Thor

They are the same as in the iESL without change.

I doubt any reviewer could help understanding this. Nor does anyone left iFi, I think.

A lot of the options are superfluous or even potentially problematic outside a flexible stand alone unit for expert/knowledgeable enthusiast users.

I feel most of these should not have been carried over into an "integrated" unit.



AC termination is controversial. It creates a low impedance "AC" termination, that is a short circuit for AC on the BIAS connection.

According to some having will make your headphones explode (together with your head).

In reality it reduced crosstalk at low frequencies, via the shared bias connection. It affects soundstaging and only subtly so. I personally prefer AC termination on.

It can be independently enabled for normal out only, pro out only or both. This a carry-over from the stand alone unit that used a rotary switch to select this.



This is about matching the impedance of the iESL to driving Amplifier and/or amplifier output levels. The main adjustment is requiring either 10V input or 20V input for 320V out. It's part of making a stand alone unit flexible.

The 96 Ohm setting (and 24 Ohm) adds a protection resistor in the transformer input, this is mainly relevant with speaker amplifiers.

Think of it as kind of a gearbox, we want a constant speed (voltage at the headphone) but we have different motors (Amplifiers) to match. We do that with an adjustable reduction gear (impedance selector).

In the context of a single box unit with the electronics of the iCAN Pro, which outputs 20V RMS max, there is only one valid setting, 64 Ohm which produces 320V RMS into the headphones.

Use 16 Ohm and 24 Ohm at your own risk, this can produce up to 640V into your headphones which are rated for to only handle ~ 300V. Of course, double the voltage will be louder.

STAX originally disrecommended the iESL and noted they would no honor warranty on their headphones used with iESL, because if settings are applied wrong the extra high output voltage carries a (small) risk of damaging the headphones.

Other 3rd Party Amplifiers and even some of STAX 's own exceed 300V as well.

This was eventually resolved with STAX IIRC, but still, stick to 64 Ohm.

In my view the setting should have been either deleted and hardwired 64 Ohm for a combined unit, or the setting should have been integrated with the SD card mechanism, based on the headphones manufactureres rated maximum output.



This gain is amplifier gain. Together with the Volume control think of it as the classic gear shift and accelerator in a car.

Gain shifts gear, Volume controls the revs.

There is no specific "right" setting, it is source and headphones dependent.

A general recommendation alwith standard "potentiometer" style Volume controls is that gain should be set to allow "normal" listening levels with the control at "12 O'Clock" +/- 2.

There is no particular technical or sonic point here, other than to make sure you have enough adjustment range for volume

My own personal take is to put on a high dynamic range recording that is fairly quiet, set gain to minimum and to then turn up the volume. If I get to the end of volume control travel and want more loud, go up one gain step.

Lower gain usually means lower noise and distortion.

Thor
Hello Thor. Thanks for your detailed knowledge of the iESL and Phantom. As has been mentioned in this thread some DACs can out higher voltage than the standard 2volts. The Mola Mola Tambaqui can put out 6 volts into the inputs of the Phantom. Does this effectively provide more power to the iESL portion of the amp? Are there risks to going with 6 volts input vs 2 volts from the DAC?
 
Aug 12, 2023 at 4:31 PM Post #210 of 512
Hello Thor. Thanks for your detailed knowledge of the iESL and Phantom.

I designed the iESL and iCAN Pro. The "phantom" is just a mashup of the two into a single box, with some fluff like SD cards, a noisy OLED display and a pointless BT module added.

The Mola Mola Tambaqui can put out 6 volts into the inputs of the Phantom. Does this effectively provide more power to the iESL portion of the amp?

No. It doesn't change amplifier power. It does change the optimum combination of gain and volume control Position. This applies to any headphone amp, nothing special here.

Are there risks to going with 6 volts input vs 2 volts from the DAC?

No, not if you lower volume /gain appropriately.

Thor
 

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