thefitz
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Just sent my ER-4S in, and can't wait to order the ER-4XR.
I've always been fascinated by the dichotomy of the accuracy/neutral description of the ER4S versus actually listening to how the lower bass is clearly lacking. All you have to do is listen to some hip hop on the ER4S to realize you barely hear the beat. While hip hop is not a genre I listen to much, that lack of bass makes it a no go for certain genres which I wouldn't expect from a truly neutral IEM.
Kick drums are represented well, because you hear the 100Hz even if you lose the residual sound which is lower in frequency. So, I guess I've never been able to reconcile the arguments that if you can actually hear the lower frequencies, then it has added, excessive or inaccurate bass? And if that is in fact the case, then wouldn't added bass make it more accurate and help it to overcome IEM limitations mirroring what you would hear in real life?
I've enjoyed the ER4S for years as well as the K-1000 which are both lacking in lower bass while excelling in bass quality. So, clearly, it's not an issue for me, but I'm just hoping someone can help me make sense of this. I'm really just curious.
Just sent my ER-4S in, and can't wait to order the ER-4XR.
Heck, since I got my hands on the SR and XR I barely browse Head-Fi anymore... not sure if it's good or bad lol
It sounds like it's an eartip issues. The large clear eartips that come with the XR are the same as the old opaque white triple flanges, so they are indeed bigger than the frosted triple flange eartips. If the white three flange tips worked for you in the past, I'd recommend using the clear 3-flange tips and not the frost.
Is the clear 3-flange tips the largest one offered at the moment?
Just sent my ER-4S in, and can't wait to order the ER-4XR.
SR hasn't much bass and like I said above, many of us will feel the sound too thin and no sub bass.
For the 3-flange, the clear is indeed the largest we offer (and have ever offered).
We do have a massive sized foam eartip that isn't all that popular, but some folks need it.
You have the SR now, and that's how you feel about it?
quite curious UERM vs ER4SR
The bass is excellent and all this talk is challenging, because not many people have heard the er4 with more perfected bass. Even by their graphing standards and most others it isn't perfect flat bass in the 60hz and lower region. And i think many people would be surprised at how good it sound with just that corrected. You can do this with eq, and the result is excellent.
Not to say that everyone would still be satisfied, but those who are accustomed to the difference in speakers to earphones might be surprised at how good it does represent bass. Having accurate sub bass makes the whole bass sound more believable.
Indeed, with the "right" SPL the bass that I get from my ER4XR is amazing. As a matter of fact, after directly comparing it with the bass of my other favorite IEM, the DUNU-DN2000J, I definitely prefer it (at least today and at least with the tracks that I've been listening to today).
The "bass problem" has little to do with the ER4s themselves. It's a general problem with IEMs. They just can't deliver the kind of energy good speakers can (except for to the eardrums). However, as I've stated before, when IEM bass is well implemented (like in the ER4XR) the brain has an amazing ability to - after some time - spontaneously fill in the blanks.