[kugino]

Shared my design to iFi long ago even before discovering this thread (was told by Vincent @ iFi - Audio to share it here) so some of them may or may not have been mentioned already but it was all based on the features I wanted and what some high end DAC seem to offer xD

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I was looking at some of the DACs that is flowing in the market and I though it would be nice for iFi Audio to include LED lights somewhere within the housing to indicates the bit rate and sample rate the iDSD is playing. Make it blue in color, if not, allow us to choose the color by playing with the switch at the bottom of the housing. The LED should also tell us on how is the iDSD connected. For example, "USB" and "output" to an external amplifier or connected directly into "headphone" or "speaker" it is also important to have a LED that lights up when the music is playing and the other is when the power is on.

the iDSD nano does this already, to some extent. it tells when the battery is charging and when the battery is in need of charging. and different color LEDs signal different bitrates.  i'm not sure how much room the micro will have for displays, but hopefully enough. i really like what the iDSD mini is going to do with displays...

 

[roamling]

Somebody already mentioned a black color option. I would like to see that available to, so that you can choose between silver and black. Also for all other iFi devices....

 

[BillsonChang007]

Indeed the a black finish would be nice xD I would imagine them to look good hehe 
 
IMO, the nano iDSD is what makes it hard for the micro... They are already near perfect

 

[kugino]

  Indeed the a black finish would be nice xD I would imagine them to look good hehe 
 
IMO, the nano iDSD is what makes it hard for the micro... They are already near perfect

yeah, the nano is quite a lot of performance for the price. i sold mine because the headphone output wasn't powerful enough, but then again, i was using it as a desktop dac/amp when it's really meant to be portable. that's why i'm looking forward to the idsd mini...the micro isn't in my radar at the moment...but who knows, it may be so great that i end up buying one

 

[Mag53]

First of all, this is a great idea. With the technological knowhow behind AMR and iFI, it can only works well.

I will divide it in two:

From the audiophile point of view:

1 – Async USB and Spdif/BNC (please keep it open so it can be used with other common digital sources apart from PC’s and mobile devices). Many audiophiles are on a transition path, they want to ‘taste’ high res files, but they are afraid to go high-end or they are simply short on budget. So they are willing to use PC, but they want to keep using their original CD player. So, why not use both types of digital inputs?

2 – RCA Out on the back.

3 – Battery and AC power.

4 – Led bit rate/resolution (very important).

5 – Defeat able analogue volume, with gain switch bellow, so you can connect directly.

From the generic user point of view (of course, some of the above could be included ):

1 – Headphone output, with 3D and Xbass

3 – Battery and AC Power.

2 - Wireless (maybe Bluetooth). More and more people are using cloud services, like Tune in or Spotify to listen music (this has nothing to do with high quality, but anyway it’s a way of listening music) and more and more wireless connection is in our day by day lives. If the implementation is cheap and technically possible, it could be an important point in favour of the non-audiophile user or the audiophile that sometimes only wish to listen some tunes from his mobile source be it iOS or Android without getting up from the sofa. And it makes more sense in a iDSD Micro or Nano than of course on a Mini.
User friendly!..

 

[iFi audio]

  Hello iFi,
 
 
My dealer directed me to here.
 
I would like to see:
 
1.       Battery-powered/USB-powered idsd.
2.       Improved headphone section (XBass +3D from ican?)
3.       Adjustable attenuation
4.       No internal manipulation of PCM or DSD files
5.       No need for SPDIF or optical
6.       Gain/Attenuation for IEMs/Headphones
 
What kind of power output will it have? – would like to know so I can get an idea of what headphones it can drive.

Hi,
 
It will have more power output than the iDAC which has 150mW. This is a popular option and so we shall see how much we can squeeze out of the new design.

 

[iFi audio]

  Going through the thread, I have realised that an important point has been missed.
 
Though many would like this to be an all-singing/all dancing device, this is not supposed to be sen in the same vein as the mega portable DAC/amps such as CEntrance HiFi-M8, CypherLabs Theorem 720, or Chord Hugo.
 
Remember the name of the product? micro iDSD? As in 'micro'?
 
This device will be small, portable and transportable, so let's focus on reasonable features that utilise this.
 
For me, the most important part is the USB input noise reduction, and to include something like the iPurifier inbuilt into the micro iDSD.
I trust, strongly, the technical R&D chops of the designers/engineers, so I hope the features that has already been decided on will work out greatly.
 
I'll add more to this thread another time.

 
Yes - thanks. Think cigar-sized box. Same chassis as across the whole of the micro range.

 

[iFi audio]

  Since most of the suggestion on hardware has been mentioned, I'll suggest a look into the software. Perhaps a more advanced driver control panel with customizable setting or even some dedicated plug-in for some of the popular playback software.

 
We try to avoid adjustments in the digital domain as much as possible. This is why the AMR/iFi driver automatically bypasses the digital volume control for example.
 
With a Dig Vol Control, except for running at 100%, bits of data will be lost - there is no getting around it.
 
We will stick with the analogue volume control seen across the rest of the range. It costs more (obviously) but the sonics are worth it.

 

[iFi audio]

  yeah, the nano is quite a lot of performance for the price. i sold mine because the headphone output wasn't powerful enough, but then again, i was using it as a desktop dac/amp when it's really meant to be portable. that's why i'm looking forward to the idsd mini...the micro isn't in my radar at the moment...but who knows, it may be so great that i end up buying one

 
Most customers use the same iPhone IEMs as with the nano iDSD. So they ask for attenuation.
 
But then there are customers who use headphones and need drive.
 
It is a nice conundrum to try to offer a serious level flexibility to suit both sets of customers.
 
We dont think anything exists at the moment that suits such a diverse range. We made a 'little' breakthrough recently so you guys may all get your wish. 

 

[iFi audio]

  Indeed the a black finish would be nice xD I would imagine them to look good hehe 
 
IMO, the nano iDSD is what makes it hard for the micro... They are already near perfect

 
You and Roamling both think 'black is the new black?'
 
We shall chat to our larger retailers and see what they think.
 
Don't hold your breath as this is only a very small chance.
 
Silver is overwhelmingly the most popular choice.

 

[roamling]

   
You and Roamling both think 'black is the new black?'
 
 

Everything is black, my rack, my amps, my speakers, my streamer, my laptop, my laptop desk, my mind....
 
The only thing silver right now is an iFi iCan, for which I made an exception!

 

[iFi audio]

First of all, this is a great idea. With the technological knowhow behind AMR and iFI, it can only works well.

I will divide it in two:

From the audiophile point of view:

1 – Async USB and Spdif/BNC (please keep it open so it can be used with other common digital sources apart from PC’s and mobile devices). Many audiophiles are on a transition path, they want to ‘taste’ high res files, but they are afraid to go high-end or they are simply short on budget. So they are willing to use PC, but they want to keep using their original CD player. So, why not use both types of digital inputs?

2 – RCA Out on the back.

3 – Battery and AC power.

4 – Led bit rate/resolution (very important).

5 – Defeat able analogue volume, with gain switch bellow, so you can connect directly.

From the generic user point of view (of course, some of the above could be included ):

1 – Headphone output, with 3D and Xbass

3 – Battery and AC Power.

2 - Wireless (maybe Bluetooth). More and more people are using cloud services, like Tune in or Spotify to listen music (this has nothing to do with high quality, but anyway it’s a way of listening music) and more and more wireless connection is in our day by day lives. If the implementation is cheap and technically possible, it could be an important point in favour of the non-audiophile user or the audiophile that sometimes only wish to listen some tunes from his mobile source be it iOS or Android without getting up from the sofa. And it makes more sense in a iDSD Micro or Nano than of course on a Mini.
User friendly!..

Hi
 
Good thought process here. To answer.
 
Audiophile
1. Asynch USB - already been there and done that! Been in the AMR and iFi line since 2009.
 
This is the 'micro' so it needs to work as a portable and as a desktop. Real estate for BNCs is unlikely as RCAs is already there.
 
2. RCAs - will continue same theme as iDAC.
 
3. Battery/Power - nano iDSD has already told us the battery is a monster feature.
 
4. LED Bit-Rate - as per nano iDSD...
 
5. Yes, fixed and variable camps both want their thing.
 
 
Generic
1. Headphone with 3D and XBass. Gulp!
 
2. Battery and AC. Battery definite because of sales of nano iDSD. Portable is big and it aint going away.
 
3. Wireless - the chassis size is a limit. As well as the cost of adding this. We do have a wireless project in the skunkworks. It is is reserved for a future project or two. This is a less popular option but good to raise here for other people to think about. You could add this to the mini iDSD thread. We will take note and good for other readers to see this.
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/702376/ifi-audio-mini-desktop-line-discussion-thread/15#post_10421987
 
Keep em coming....things seem to be hotting up.

 

[BillsonChang007]

+1 maybe the ability to get the power via USB would be a better choice over a battery. Something like what FiiO did to their E10. USB powered.

Hopefully iFi allows black finish for xD something like the Schiit's supplier mistake... That finish look high class xD

 

[x838nwy]

One thing I'd like to add in addition to my original post is if we can have a tube output stage? I have the iTube and love it. But internal volume of the case is probably prohibitive.
 
Personally, I really don't care for all the 3D and Xtra-More-Bass type thing.
 
And could we have feet that are already on the thing? Seriously, I'm OCD and I always felt I have them in the wrong place  or covering up all the writing or something.
 
Oh, and if it is at all avoidable, could we not have cable entries like in the middle of one side? (Like on the iTube.)
 
Thanks
 
C

 

[turo91]

My two cents:
 
1) Battery supplyed by two batteries, one when work the other is charging
2) Sabre 9018 2M dac chip
3) Amanero usb async receiver
4) Holographic 3d and bass bost system.
5) selectable gain headphone out to perform well with IEM and low impedance headphone (usually who has high impedance and orto have also an amp)
6) A regular shaped case (rectangular) so you can put other IFI component in a stable "tower"
7) Coaxial input
8) Usb receiver powered from battery and not from usb
9) 6,3 mm heaphone out