[saab]

It is starting to pay off rooting for the Tigers for so long. It is amazing what a little maturity, another pitcher and health can do for a ball club, not to mention a hard ***** manager.

Anyways, we just got done taking another series, this one from the Indians. Oh how I hate ohio teams!!

Anyways, go Tigs!!
-John

edit: your Twins are next ojnihs.

 

[ojnihs]

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Originally Posted by saab edit: your Twins are next ojnihs.

Bring it on!

 

[usc goose]

Dodgers lose again. Brad Penny's third loss in a row. Dodgers are 1 and 13 since the all star break. Nomar's still out with the knee.

Stop the pain!!!!

sigh...

 

[shplorgh]

John Maine with another great start.

And Pedro's coming back soon!

 

[Sleestack]

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Originally Posted by hungrych John Maine with another great start. And Pedro's coming back soon!

Hopefully the real NY team can keep up their end of the bargain and head for the subways with the Mets again. I'd love to see Pedro go down as a Met.

 

[crazyfrenchman27]

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Originally Posted by gshan I really wish the Giants would try to shell out for a top-tier-ish starting pitcher to pair with Jason Schmidt. The bullpen has actually been pretty good at many times in the past few years. It seems as if they are content with continuing to work with developing farm system guys and then trading them as currency when needed. We have needed some more punch and authority in the SF starting staff for a long time now.

Interesting perspective.

Here is the reality with the SF Giants:

Negatives:

1) Their rebuilding phase has long been overdue (after their failed WS run probably would have been the opportune time).

2) They can't develop or draft position prospects (Niekro and Pedro Feliz are perfect examples of their hacktastic system).

3) They overvalue aging talent (trading Liriano for Pierzynski, playing an entire outfield over the age of forty).

4) They intentionally punt draft picks to avoid paying signing bonuses (e.g. Michael Tucker)

Positives:

1) They have shown that they can draft and develop starting pitchers (Lowry, but they traded the rest because of point number 3).

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In summation, the Giants look to become the whipping post for the D'backs and Dodgers for at least the next three years (both teams have 4-6 A/A- prospects and better player management; San Francisco does not have a single A/A- prospect).

-Matt

 

[usc goose]

well frenchman, that actually sorta cheered me up. thanks.

 

[utep10]

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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 Interesting perspective. Here is the reality with the SF Giants: Negatives: 1) Their rebuilding phase has long been overdue (after their failed WS run probably would have been the opportune time).

This maybe true but rebuilding will not be in the Giant's management plans for a long while. With their mortgage on AT&T Park, their plan is always to field a competitive team, whether right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 2) They can't develop or draft position prospects (Niekro and Pedro Feliz are perfect examples of their hacktastic system).

The Giant's management philosophy is to draft pitchers, as pitching is a premium comodity and that it is easier to find through free agency, position
players. Right or wrong?

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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 3) They overvalue aging talent (trading Liriano for Pierzynski, playing an entire outfield over the age of forty).

This trade really hurts. As such, I get tried of being reminded of it

. Brian Sabaen is far from perfect but he has also traded alot of pitching prospects (that didn't pan out) for good contributing players (Rob Nen, Livan Hernandez, etc.) on the WS 2002 team.

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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 4) They intentionally punt draft picks to avoid paying signing bonuses (e.g. Michael Tucker)

It's all for the now, baby.

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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 Positives: 1) They have shown that they can draft and develop starting pitchers (Lowry, but they traded the rest because of point number 3).

It's not like they traded all their good pitching prospects in that one trade.
It just seems like.
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Originally Posted by crazyfrenchman27 In summation, the Giants look to become the whipping post for the D'backs and Dodgers for at least the next three years (both teams have 4-6 A/A- prospects and better player management; San Francisco does not have a single A/A- prospect). -Matt

You maybe right about the prospects comment, but I doubt the Giants will be whipping boys to any team in the NL West. They can't afford to be basement dwellers and not draw fans. JMO.

Good knowledge of the Giants and you maybe right on all points but I'm a die-hard Giants fan. Whether their good or not.

 

[shplorgh]

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Originally Posted by utep10 This trade really hurts. As such, I get tried of being reminded of it

At least you didn't trade Scott Kazmir for ****ing Victor Zambrano, a horrible, injury-prone pitcher who was already injured at the time of the trade. ._.

 

[darkninja67]

My Yankees are doing pretty well considering they are still missing some key players. The experts said the wildcard will come out of the Central? I think they may have been wrong. Look out Red Sox.

 

[Spiritboxer]

The Yankee's are doing surprisingly well considering all the injuries and the grand funk A-Rod is in. They sure could use another starter but their top three guys are doing well lately and the bullpen has had some really great games. Still trying to figure out what happened to last years Shawn Chacon, he'd make an excellent 4th starter if he can get it together for the 2nd half.

 

[darkninja67]

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Originally Posted by Spiritboxer The Yankee's are doing surprisingly well considering all the injuries and the grand funk A-Rod is in. They sure could use another starter but their top three guys are doing well lately and the bullpen has had some really great games. Still trying to figure out what happened to last years Shawn Chacon, he'd make an excellent 4th starter if he can get it together for the 2nd half.

Shawn did a great job last night. ARod seems to be doing better. Torre definitely deserves the Manager of the Year award this year. Incredible what he has done with a team hurting like it was. I wish Cashman would try to grab D Train as they do need a starter badly.

 

[VicAjax]

guess my team:

April = bad
May = good
June = freakin' horrible
July = good


if you guessed the Bravos, you'd be right. i can't believe they're considering trading Betemit for a bullpen band-aid (although the Yankees' Proctor looks like he could be promising).

they've had a mighty fine run, but i think it may be over... and i put the blame squarely on AOL Time Warner (i know, they dropped the AOL name, but that blasted demon company is no less guilty).

i'm growing sick of rooting for a team which has become nothing more than a corporate subsidiary. i'm also offended by stunts like "Faith Night" to try to get butts in the seats.

i also have my son to think about; i can't raise him as a Braves fan in NYC, he'd get his ass kicked (although he's a pretty tough kid).

i never thought i'd say this about the hated Yankees, but at least they're owned by someone who gives a crap about winning.

i have to go wash my mouth out with soap.

(if you haven't noticed, i'm having a personal crisis of global proportions).

 

[mjg]

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Originally Posted by hungrych John Maine with another great start. And Pedro's coming back soon!

was at the game, my face got cooked... ouch. sat at 3rd base line

 

[shplorgh]

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkninja67 Shawn did a great job last night. ARod seems to be doing better. Torre definitely deserves the Manager of the Year award this year. Incredible what he has done with a team hurting like it was. I wish Cashman would try to grab D Train as they do need a starter badly.

Willis would be a horrible fit on the Yankees, it could really mess him up. There was an article in the NY Times about it recently.