I love my Ares ll 8-wire cables. I use them while walking (I have a life at home that generally precludes listening while on the couch or in a chair) and have no issues with "heaviness" or thickness. My only unhappiness about them is that EA consistently refuses to put a slider on them (and I have asked numerous times, nicely), so I've had to make one from thin leather string. Sound is truly satisfying. I'm curious about the Eletechs, but am waiting until SoCal CanJam this summer to try them (Eric said he'd be there). My Zeus (which is not warm) and my SP1000 (which is not warm) pretty much demand a copper cable. I'm a true believer in 8 vs. 4, as I had the 4's first and the 8's expanded the already wide soundstage, improved the already good placement, and added a bit of lower and upper end without losing the transparency and sparkle I value in my combination.