[vilhelm44]

Hi all, been looking at picking up either the Onso 04 or Orb Clear Force Ultimate to use with my WM1A and A12ts. Does anyone have any experience with these cables as to sound and build qualities?

 

[kubig123]

i already posted in the PWAudio tour thread, but i think it's worth to add my impression in this thread too.

it has been one of the best tour that i participated, and for that i want again to thanks both @Barra and @Kozato to make it happened.
I've purchased quite few cables from Music Sanctuary and PWAudio is one of my favorite cable company, i love the quality of their cables i bought so far.
I was mostly interested to try the top of the range, i already own a 1960 (2 wire) and i ware really curious to compare it versus the 1960 8 wire, the 1950 and the 1980.

I tried these 3 cables with 3 different ciems:

• Campfire Equinox
• EE Phantom
• EE Legend X

As a source i used the new Lotoo Paw Gold Touch, that has a neutral signature and it has been very interesting how different the result paring these 3 ciems with the above mentioned cables.

1950
since i saw the first picture of this cable i was really intrigue by the grey rubber sleeve and i have to say, now that i have it in my possession i can say i'm in love with the overall quality of this cable, it was a very tight braiding but is still very supple.

Since the first minute you start using this cable, you know that is something special, it surprise you with an incredible wast sound-stage with impressive resolution and separation.

Where this cable shines is in the reproduction of the treble, the extension, the amount of details, the precision layering of the elements allow you to appreciate every single notes with highest details without being too bright or strident.
Compared to the treble the mid and bass feel more controlled and layback, both are reproduced with the same technical capability of the treble; transition is fast and controlled, the vocals take advantage of the sound stage.

This cable has been a hit or miss; with the Equinox, the mid and bass were way to recessed to the point it flattened the overall perception.
With the Phantom was definitely better, still lacking some presence in the lower mid and bass but it help to extend the treble and increase the head room.
The Legend X provided instead a very interesting experience, the bass was still there with a much quicker transition, increasing the overall resolution and extending the treble but without being to sharp

it's an extremely technical cable, that allow you to fully appreciate the
Out of the 3 cables the 1950 is the most transparent cable, it has all the quality of a very refined silver cable.

1960
As i already pointed out i already had the 1960 (2 wire) and since that purchase i've been dying to try the 4 wire!
And "unfortunately" it's another great cable, the overall signature is warm with a dense (but absolutely not congested) mid and bass, treble is smoother than the 1950.
also this cable provide a great soundstage, that i definitely would call it 3d, with great separation and resolution thanks to the soundstage. the 2 wire counterpart is slightly warmer and the soundstage is not at the same level, therefore also the separation and overall details are slightly less pronounced. Out of the 3 cables is the one with the most natural, slower transition.

it pairs perfectly with the 3 ciems, i feel is the perfect companion to the Phantom, it doesn't change the overall sound signature of the earphones, it just enhance the performance especially due to the soundstage. Extremely fun with the Equinox but slightly too boomy for the Legend X.

1980
this is another very interesting cable, it's the stiffer of the 3, i used during my daily commute for a couple of days and it's not as comfortable as the other 2.
the overall signature is the perfect blend between the 1950 and the 1960. it's more colored than the 1950 but not as much as the 1960, as a fast attack and decay as the 1950, but with a strong focus on mid and especially bass, the treble are reproduced with great details and are as extended as the 1950.
Also this cable as the same great, vast soundstage and separation, overall it found it to be the most interesting one, especially the best for the Legend X, Equinox follows very closely but i personally found it too fast fro the Phantom.

last point, the most impressive area of all 3 cables is the soundstage, sorry if i repeat myself, all of them have a great soundstage, that i think is very similar in the 3 cables, but i perceive it in a different way due to the 3 different sound signatures.

if i had to choose one cable i would go with the 1960 4 wire, it's the one that match my preferences and most of my earphones, the 1980 is as interesting but is not as comfortable as the other 2.

 

[davidmolliere]

As i already pointed out i already had the 1960 (2 wire) and since that purchase i've been dying to try the 4 wire!
And "unfortunately" it's another great cable, the overall signature is warm with a dense (but absolutely not congested) mid and bass, treble is smoother than the 1950.
also this cable provide a great soundstage, that i definitely would call it 3d, with great separation and resolution thanks to the soundstage. the 2 wire counterpart is slightly warmer and the soundstage is not at the same level, therefore also the separation and overall details are slightly less pronounced. Out of the 3 cables is the one with the most natural, slower transition. it pairs perfectly with the 3 ciems, i feel is the perfect companion to the Phantom, it doesn't change the overall sound signature of the earphones, it just enhance the performance especially due to the soundstage. Extremely fun with the Equinox but slightly too boomy for the Legend X.
(...) if i had to choose one cable i would go with the 1960 4 wire, it's the one that match my preferences and most of my earphones, the 1980 is as interesting but is not as comfortable as the other 2.

I love the 1960 4 wires with the Phantom and it’s also stunning with the VE8... there is something about that cable... it’s not a myth!
Thanks for the detailed impressions!

 

[ezekiel77]

Something evil is afoot...

 

[491326]

Something evil is afoot...

Oh dear, so how many iems are there gonna be?

 

[ezekiel77]

Oh dear, so how many iems are there gonna be?

Right now I have more cables than IEMs hehe

 

[Wyville]

Right now I have more cables than IEMs hehe

Same here!

 

[SeeSax]

Right now I have more cables than IEMs hehe

Same here!

Me three. FYI the proper ratio of cables to IEMs is 2:1 (and it is a requirement to post in this thread).

-Collin-

 

[honeyjjack]

Anyone have any experience with norne audio silvergarde sx? Seems similar to dhc elite 19.

 

[SeeSax]

Hey Guys, Brian from BTG Audio lent me one of his new cables from the "Q" series, which I hadn't seen before. I finally got a few hours to try it out on my most transparent IEM, the Dita Dream, so I have some impressions if anyone is up for a quick read. First, it's a super light, flexible cable without any memory wire or pre-shaped ear hooks. It's pure copper, somewhere in the realm of 23awg and uses a French silk sleeve. It's funny because it looks very similar to my Rhapsodio Copper Wizard mk2, but weighs a quarter as much and is way more comfortable. Closest thing I have to compare price-wise would be my new Triton4 24.5awg copper litz cable. Both are supremely comfortable and very well-built. The sound differs, though.

Right away, I notice a pleasing smoothness to the Q cable. It has a powerful and present sub-bass and mid-bass kick, though a touch softer around the edges than the Triton4. It's a nice pairing with the Dream, which can sound sterile with a lot of silver cables. Mids are lush, slightly forward (another welcome trait for the Dream) and upper mids/treble are polite. Overall, I would say the Triton4 is the more neutral, transparent cable, closer in sound signature actually to the Dita Truth cable that the Dream came with. The Q, however, diverges from "reference" a bit and I would say it enhances the lower frequencies. I think it would be an easy cable to pair with neutral to bright IEMs, but on the Legend X it was a case of too much of a good thing. Conversely, the Triton4 worked well in keeping the Legend X in control, while maintaining its overall sound signature and keeping things fun enough without too much bass. I tried the Q on the Hyla CE-5 and it was wonderful. Huge bass slam that maintained control and softened the treble a tad. It also brought the mids a little more forward. Below are some photos (first two are the Q, last is the Triton4 24.5awg copper litz).







Thanks so much @Pingupenguins for letting me try the cable - I really enjoyed my time with it. I think this is a nice offering around the price point (below $250 I think, but Brian will have to keep me honest) for someone looking for a comfortable, well-built, great-looking cable that has a highly-refined copper sound signature.

-Collin-

 

[ayang02]

I also got the same Q series cable for my Audeze LCD 2 Closed back a few months ago during the 30% off end-of-summer sale. Also noted the smoothness this cable brings plus it's very fairly priced even at full price.

 

[ezekiel77]

Hey Guys, Brian from BTG Audio lent me one of his new cables from the "Q" series, which I hadn't seen before. I finally got a few hours to try it out on my most transparent IEM, the Dita Dream, so I have some impressions if anyone is up for a quick read. First, it's a super light, flexible cable without any memory wire or pre-shaped ear hooks. It's pure copper, somewhere in the realm of 23awg and uses a French silk sleeve. It's funny because it looks very similar to my Rhapsodio Copper Wizard mk2, but weighs a quarter as much and is way more comfortable. Closest thing I have to compare price-wise would be my new Triton4 24.5awg copper litz cable. Both are supremely comfortable and very well-built. The sound differs, though.

Right away, I notice a pleasing smoothness to the Q cable. It has a powerful and present sub-bass and mid-bass kick, though a touch softer around the edges than the Triton4. It's a nice pairing with the Dream, which can sound sterile with a lot of silver cables. Mids are lush, slightly forward (another welcome trait for the Dream) and upper mids/treble are polite. Overall, I would say the Triton4 is the more neutral, transparent cable, closer in sound signature actually to the Dita Truth cable that the Dream came with. The Q, however, diverges from "reference" a bit and I would say it enhances the lower frequencies. I think it would be an easy cable to pair with neutral to bright IEMs, but on the Legend X it was a case of too much of a good thing. Conversely, the Triton4 worked well in keeping the Legend X in control, while maintaining its overall sound signature and keeping things fun enough without too much bass. I tried the Q on the Hyla CE-5 and it was wonderful. Huge bass slam that maintained control and softened the treble a tad. It also brought the mids a little more forward. Below are some photos (first two are the Q, last is the Triton4 24.5awg copper litz).







Thanks so much @Pingupenguins for letting me try the cable - I really enjoyed my time with it. I think this is a nice offering around the price point (below $250 I think, but Brian will have to keep me honest) for someone looking for a comfortable, well-built, great-looking cable that has a highly-refined copper sound signature.

-Collin-

Hey Collin! Glad you tried the Q cables. For a long time they are a staple recommendation for Audeze headphones because of the luxurious build/ergonomics and overall smooth, accessible sound. I'm glad they hopped over to IEMs too bcos the smooth soft sheathing will prove a hit since you know, it'll remind people of the 1960s.

 

[dhruvmeena96]

A primer on high-end cables

Introduction

This article can be viewed as a brief discussion on the performance of cables throughout different tiers. This is just to provide a rough picture of the world of high-end upgrade cables, based on my experience. I can imagine that there’s a healthy skepticism about the actual increase in performance when you move up higher in quality. And I’m not referring to cable skeptics – I have no interest in ‘converting’ anyone, or starting a cable discussion. My goal is to provide a bit information for those already interested. As I’ve been a cable enthusiast for a couple of years now, I’ve been able to experience a relatively large number of upgrade cables (an estimate would be somewhere between 40 – 50).

I can look back at what I’ve experienced while gradually moving up through the world of cables, while also steadily learning to understand different components of analyzing sound. I too was very skeptic that cables could improve – and consistently remained skeptical, even though I gradually experienced an improvement at different price points. The problem is that it is very hard to imagine something beyond your own experience (Plato’s Cave, anyone?).

Before I start, I would like to point out that I’m not advocating that anyone should buy a high-end cable. I find it regrettable cables are incredibly expensive, and that the industry has taken a turn to the worse when it comes to increasing prices. I have been fortunate to receive samples on a few occasions, but in the majority of cases I paid for them myself, so I am very much in touch with this issue. However, as I will argue in a bit I don’t believe this is an issue specific to cables; rather, the increasing price you need to pay for an improvement in performance is very similar if not identical to that of iems.

Do upgrade cables really work?

There’s a very wide variety of cables in different price ranges available, with most ranging up from $100 up to $2500 at least, and some even further. But, there’s still very little information on the general performance of cables, and especially how this steadily increases throughout different price ranges. This is of course can largely be attributed to the lingering skepticism throughout the West towards cables. The majority of people in the US and Europe do not believe in cables, which is reflected in sites where we come to meet such as Head-Fi.org. So it requires a big leap of faith to lay down $300 or more, especially since there are almost no places to demo cables – and understandably so. So I imagine that even when people tentatively want to try a cable but are naturally still hesitant, they either go for a $100 cable or just switch stock cables to experiment. Consequentially, they come to the conclusion that they just wasted their precious earned money since they can’t hear a difference. I’ll tell you now – even for trained ears it is extremely difficult to analyze and compare cheap cables. Due to the quality of the material, the extension is not very good so notes are more fuzzy and harder to compare, plus in most cases manufacturers use very similar copper or SPC wires.

Our world view is determined by the culture we live in, and shaped by the people around us. In Eastern Asia, the situation is reversed. If you’d take a look at Asian fora such as andaudio.com or erji.net, the general consensus is that cables do play a role in determining aspects of the signature or performance, and there’s little debate on the issue. Accordingly, more people find it worthwhile to invest in upgrade cables. The difference can at least partially be explained by the fact that cities like Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore have evolved into major audio hotspots, where you can extensively demo every piece of equipment including cables. However, while speculative, we can also take the characteristics of the type of music people listen to in different cultures into account, such as range, pitch, flow and rhythm (Born & Hesmondhalgh, 2000), as well as innate biological and cultural differences that shape our hearing, such as that Asian voices tend have a slightly higher pitch and different rhythm (e.g. Brunelle & Kirby, 2016; Ohara, 1999). If we consider that one of the most fundamental improvements of high-end cable is its effect on the highest frequencies due to properties of the wires (the highest frequencies roll of strongest with lower quality), the connection with a sensitivity towards higher pitch is again speculative, but not unthinkable.

Increasing performance of iems

The general concept of diminishing returns is well-known. When it comes to iems, you can get a great sounding iem for $300; some examples are the Dunu DN2000j or Oriveti Primacy. These iems are a good deal better than $100 their entry level counterparts. When you experience such an iem for the first time, it’s hard to imagine you’re missing something, especially after already witnessing such an improvement from the lower segment. The bass, mids, and treble are all there, the stage is large enough for the instrument positioning, and the presentation as a whole feels fairly detailed. Nevertheless , when you move up to a $1000 iem, the difference can feel quite significant. The stage is larger, the midrange might have more body, and the level of detail again improves. The whole image gains in clarity, often feeling like a ‘veil has been removed’. Yet, when you move on to a TOTL $1600 ciem, there’s usually no doubt there’s again a significant improvement: the depth of the stage might result in a more effortless separation, and the resolution relies on its treble extension rather than the brightness of the signature, so the tone might be more natural, while the presentation is nevertheless more detailed (I wrote a piece about the difference between $300 and $1600 iem a while back on Headfonics).

Increasing performance of cables

While it’s hard to imagine, similar incremental improvements can more or less be experiences with cables. Admittedly, while the cost for improvement might be a $100 in the lower segment, it rapidly climes with steps of $500 shortly after – just as we’ve seen with iems.

<$350

You can get a solid cable for roughly $150-$200. Some examples are the Effect Audio Ares II or PWaudio’s no 5. Depending on the listener, the effects might vary from negligible, to having a nice moderate effect to polish up an iem’s signature, by adding a bit of warmth or extension for example. Depending on the listener, the difference might be considered around 5%-10% (just as a rough estimation to paint a picture). But when you arrive at a quality $350 silver cable, the effect should be more clearly noticeable, while still remaining affordable. The extension will be slightly better, possible resulting in better transparency, resolution, or airiness. An example would be one of the most popular silver cables in this tier, the Toxic Silver Widow, which provides a clear, slightly brighter tone, and a leaner lower midrange. By contrast, Effect Audio's Thor Silver II provides a smoother sound, albeit with less overt clarity and sparkle. It offers a more 'uncolored' hi-fi type of sound, where the warmth doesn't color the sound, even though it equally isn't bright. We might think of this effect as contributing to 20% of the sound. This range is what I would consider the cable equivalent of an iem like the DN2000j or Primacy. Significantly better than a $150 cable, but after this point the price to increase its performance will start to steeply rise. Excellent value.

$700 – $1000

Moving up the area of $700 – $1000 cables, the price range I consider ‘top-of-the-line’ for cables. Similar to $1600 TOTL ciems, there’s a wide range of cables that each have their own signature, performance, as well as ergonomics. They’re all very different, but generally should have similar performance when all aspects are averaged together. Much like ciems, some focus on tone, resolution, stage, or certain aspects of the signature (bass, mids or treble). And it’s almost pick 2 or so – you can’t have it all. When we move into this range, we’ve made a fairly big leap in price compared to a quality silver cable – $500 or more. But we’ve also made a significant jump in quality. The cable’s unique signature starts to play a more prominent role in the sound. For me personally, a cable in this range will determine something in the order of 30% of the sound.

In this case, the listener’s personal preference and taste of music might become a better indicator than the actual iem with which it is paired. For instance, when I want to listen to pop, rock or electronic music, the cable pairing is more important for me than the iem; I have favorite cables for pop or electronic music, and can use those cables with any iem – a brighter iem like NT6pro or S-EM9, but also a warmer midcentric iem like Zeus-XIV or Prelude.

Some examples of different signatures and performance in this range are Effect Audio’s Leonidas, which has a very uncolored signature with a punchy bass as special feature, as well as a nice clean stage and good performance. It offers a precise sound, while its punchy low end give’s it something extra. Even though its tone isn't warm, it provides a smooth sound, similar to its cheaper relative, the Thor Silver II. Labkable’s Samurai III shares some general similarities, as both have an airy stage, and a fairly neutral but transparent signature. While the Samurai’s low end is not as powerful, it has a nice coloration in the upper midrange that gives some extra sparkle, as well as a slightly warmer midrange. The Rhapsodio Golden is a very unique cable, but hard to recommend because of its specific sound and stiff ergonomics. Due to its enhanced mid- and upper bass, it creates particularly thick notes and a full sound, although its stage isn’t very airy. The warmth from the low end is countered by a brighter upper midrange and treble. Upper midrange notes are thick and really pop out, making it highly engaging and perfect for synthetic-based melodies, even though its resolution and imaging is not very impressive – this is the (original) K10 of cables when it comes to sound. Though different than the Samurai III, both are favorites for pop or melodious electronic music. Wagnus chose SPC as the material for their flagship cable, the Frosty Sheep. Its tone bares the resemblance of SPC's commonly used as stock cables, fairly neutral with an emphasis on the upper midrange for additional clarity. Although its midrange is slightly dry, it impresses with its high resolution - even within this tier. The PWaudio 1960 2-wire is unique due to its dark, warm, but smooth and resolving presentation. There’s a certain sensuality to its presentation that makes it involving for vocals, while being one of the most suitable to soften harsher treble. And then there’s the plusSound Gold-Plated Copper 8-braid, that performs admirably when it comes to stage airiness, resolution and transparency, but excels when it comes to its tonality – this remains one of my favorite cables for daily use. Due to its smooth, natural and accurate tone, suited for most instrument- or vocal-based music.

$1300

After hearing quality cables in the ‘top tier’, is the difference in this next range still discernible? I can only refer to the two cables I own(ed), but the answer is yes. A year ago I decided to randomly sell a bunch of stuff to invest in a few high-end cables for a shootout I was planning for Headfonics. After receiving the first few, I was impressed with the resolution of the Wagnus Frosty Sheep and Rhapsodio Copper Wizard 8-braid (both $1000). But when I heard the SilverFi IEM-R2, I immediately recognized this was a cable that took sound to a next level. Although its midrange was pretty forward and warm, it easily matched the resolution and transparency of the other two, while adding a level of naturalness that could not be compared. With its natural tone and forward midrange, this was a specialist for male vocals, and a generally very romantic sound – a signature resembling the upcoming Warbler Prelude. While I’d be hesitant to ever call Labkable’s Pandora ‘natural’ due to its reference sound, its resolution and transparency easily bests the lower tier, while adding both an engaging, punchy bass, as well as wide and deep holographic stage. The Jomo Samba of upgrade cables. Due to its brighter than neutral tone, high level of precision, and punchy bass, one of my favorites for electronic music.

$2000

Paying 2K for an iem is an extraordinary amount, something we’ve only started to see since about a year – let alone for a cable. This is a shocking statement to make, but I would easily state that the 2 2K cables I have had a pleasure to listen to are both a clear, and by objective audiophile standards significant, step up from any cable below. In both cases, the ‘wow’ effect of these cables is strong and immediate – within a minute of listening I could tell this was something special.

PWaudio’s 1960 4-wire’s black background, treble sparkle, and high level of both transparency and resolution is a prominent feature with any pairing, and as such has a discerning role on the picture you’re seeing. A dark atmosphere filled with transparent detailed elements, regardless if the iem is innately midcentric or bright. The astonishing ability to bring minor details so apparently to the foreground. I’ve never been one to care much about the effects cables have on a stage, since they’re mostly relatively minor. Until I heard the SilverFi IEM-R4. This isn’t only the largest stage in its dimensions, it’s also one of the airiest. This is truly a holographic stage. ‘Neutral’ has many different interpretations, but the best one is when it refers to a balance between the frequencies, as well as an accurate tone. The SilverFi house sound has always been the very definition of naturalness. A slightly warm but not too forward midrange, and a beautiful treble tone. Much like the 4-wire, its transparency and resolution cannot be compared to any cable below; so it doesn’t have to be bright to be one of the most detailed, relying on its stage and transparency. When you’re listening to an iem paired to the IEM-R4, the stage is mostly determined by the cable, as is the naturalness of the tone.

When you’re listening to one of these cables, the effect on an iem’s signature becomes so large, you’re almost listening to equal parts cable and iem. Accordingly, the difference between iems paired with such a cable becomes smaller, since a large portion of the sound is attributed to the cable. To picture what I mean with this, imagine two settings: one is a dark night in a rural area far from the city lights, with a starry night shining above you. There’s a spotlight fixated on the singer performing for you. The other is a grassy meadow on a sunny spring day, with a forest in the background. In this analogy, the distance to the singer, and the pitch and power of their voice is the variance of the iem – but the setting I described is from the cable.

Analyzing a cable’s signature

Cables are difficult to analyze, especially in the lower tiers. As the quality goes up, the differences become larger and easier discernible. You need to more of a pro to analyze a $100 cable compared to a $1000 one. But I’ll give some basic pointers based on the ‘MikePortnoy philosophy’ my fellow reviewer and friend handed down to me a few years back.

The key of breaking down a cable’s signature lies in understanding the relation between the (mid-)bass and the stage, since it determines a large deal of the presentation. So when you compare two cables, try to listen at how the different the bass is, and how it accordingly affects the stage. For instance, is the stage airier or even completely clean? Then most likely the mid- or upper- bass is attenuated. If a stage is still clean while having low end power (like Leonidas or Pandora), there’s most likely an increase in control, and possibly in sub- or mid-bass but not upper-bass. Accordingly, the this might take some of the warmth out of the midrange. As the size and warmth of midrange notes are strongly related to the bass presentation, thicker notes are usually an indication of enhanced mid- or upper-bass. The clarity of the signature can be deduced by the relation between the quantity of bass will combined with the prominence of the treble. Determining treble extension might require a bit more practice and understanding, but it can usually be determined from the definition of notes, as well as factors as transparency or the airiness surrounding notes and vocals.

Trying cables for the first time

Since people’s sensitivity for sound plays a role when it comes to cables, I would never recommend point blank paying a large amount for a high-end cable if you don’t have any experience with them. The effect of a more expensive cable will be easier noticeable than a cheaper cable, but even then there’s never a guarantee the result will be satisfactory at a personal level. Cables might be expensive, maybe even too expensive, but there is a fundamental reason why some cables are more expensive than others. Factors as the amount of wires (e.g. 4 vs. 8), or type of material (e.g. silver vs. copper), are negligible compared to the quality of the wires used. That’s why a basic 4-wire silver cable can range between $50 or $1000. Sadly enough, you can’t cut corners here. If a cable seems too good to be true (like a silver 8-braid costing new $200), it’s safe to say it is. Instead, if you are interested in trying a high-end cable for the first time, I would strongly advise the following: try buying a second hand silver cable from a respected cable manufacturer (you can find many in the for-sale sections of different fora). That way you’re guaranteed a certain quality, and if you find it’s not for you, you can sell it at a minimal loss. Furthermore, you don’t need to be an expert with extremely sensitive hearing to hear the benefits of a cable. When I started out in this hobby a couple of years back, I didn’t know what a soundstage was, or even the difference between the upper midrange or treble. I happened to roll in the world of cables because a friend told me ‘I had to get one in case the stock cable broke’, but even at the time it was easily discernible that the silver cable (a Toxic Silver Widow) cleaned up the presentation and made it more detailed. Of course, it would take time and experience to understand the mechanisms, but the effect was there.

Citations
Born, G., & Hesmondhalgh, D. (2000). Western music and its others: Difference, representation, and appropriation in music. University of California Press.
Brunelle, M., & Kirby, J. (2016). Tone and phonation in Southeast Asian languages. Language and Linguistics Compass, 10(4), 191-207.
Ohara, Y. (1999). Performing gender through voice pitch: A cross-cultural analysis of Japanese and American English. In Wahrnehmung und Herstellung von Geschlecht (pp. 105-116). VS Verlag für Sozialwissenschaften.

excuse me sir
well from my point of view, cables, if made as a cable should not affect an IEM performace except for microphonics and crosstalk
well if their is a signature change

then that can be a factor of capacitance, inductance and resistance of a cable

i can understand that there is resistance in stock cable etc

but when we or anybody or you write brighter sound from silver cable is actually may be something really bad going on

if we add series resistance to a speaker source it attenuates but also tilts the response toward the treble slightly due to signal block at low frequency
a capacitor may act as a high pass, so wire can have capacitance factor also going on.(micro cracks)
a inductor may resist the signal flow and can act as a low pass while tilting the response toward bass

and if we go with material conductivity and electron flow in a lattice structure
cryo treatment, the effect of change in conductivity is pretty negligible

i have tons of research papers on that and i was also writing papers on it for govt research here

Now lets talk about audio factor

the change in sound is negligible until or unless the braids on earphone side does not go more than 8, which means 4 to positive and 4 to negitive

since all the factor in the cable are pretty negligible

paralleling the wire will reduce inductance and resistance while increasing the capacitance
which stabilize the response rate tilting but will also high passing(negligible and out of hearing domain).

UPOCC cable dont have micro cracks so zero capacitance,

so from stock cable there can be an improvement in sound

but then all cables sound same to me except for stock and Penon Draco

Penon Draco is flagship cable for me
near zero crosstalks
near zero microphonics

and the sound just get slightly cleaner

even plusssound exo and horus sound same fot me
penon draco sounds cleaner overall due to weight of cable killing possible microphonics


hope you dont get offended by this post

i wrote what i though on this topic

i am doing research on military eval cables etc
so i though on sharing this info

 

[SeeSax]

TL;DR...

Cables don't affect sound! Except the Penon one.



-Collin-

 

[491326]

From my memory, there are converters for 3.5 se male to balanced female connections. How does that work and vice versa?