[jlbrach]

Just for interest: Ifi Pro series isn't beefy enough for Sus?
I really liked their hardware Xbass feature which is working without harming the rest of the frequency spectrum and think Sus can profit from that.
Alternative could be putting an Ifi DAC in front

the ifi pro can drives the susvara quite well actually

 

[FooFighter]

the ifi pro can drives the susvara quite well actually

Thx, wouldn't be your first choice though, right looking at your other amps?
I mean even my M30 is driving them at 65 of 100 but is likely a tad too bright at the top end (as also others confirmed).
Am currently considering either one of the lately discussed amps like Ferro or the very interesting Burson Timekeeper 3i (DAC section seems a bit simple though without MQA and upsampling and I wished for some XLR input)

 

[jlbrach]

correct, I owned it a while back and liked it especially given it cost me 1000 dollars used

 

[FooFighter]

correct, I owned it a while back and liked it especially given it cost me 1000 dollars used

agreed, for 1k bucks I guess I wouldn't think a lot about nitpicking for what the package includes

 

[aaf evo]

Thx, wouldn't be your first choice though, right looking at your other amps?
I mean even my M30 is driving them at 65 of 100 but is likely a tad too bright at the top end (as also others confirmed).
Am currently considering either one of the lately discussed amps like Ferro or the very interesting Burson Timekeeper 3i (DAC section seems a bit simple though without MQA and upsampling and I wished for some XLR input)

Is brightness a characteristic of what happens to the Susvara when it isn’t driven well or is this more so something that’s brought on by the M30 tuning itself?

 

[FooFighter]

Is brightness a characteristic of what happens to the Susvara when it isn’t driven well or is this more so something that’s brought on by the M30 tuning itself?

I suppose the first option as I am listening with various cans and Trailli and never found M30 too bright there.
It's a dream pairing with my Denon AH-D9200 btw which is sometimes also called a tad bright to the top in general.
I even found Flux-FA10 brighter than M30...

I haven't encountered a can that is more sensitive to changing anything in the chain like Susvara before, so that also matters

 

[iFi audio]

Just for interest: Ifi Pro series isn't beefy enough for Sus?

It's beefy enough to make them go loud

 

[Pashmeister]

Burson just came out with a new Soloist capable of a headphones + subwoofer set up (which they explicitly laud the experience of pairing).

https://www.bursonaudio.com/products/soloist-3x-grand-tourer/

The previous soloist was already reasonably good with the Susvara and they doubled the power for the GT version. My wallet is confused now with the new options coming out simultaneously!

 

[DJJEZ]

Burson just came out with a new Soloist capable of a headphones + subwoofer set up (which they explicitly laud the experience of pairing).

https://www.bursonaudio.com/products/soloist-3x-grand-tourer/

The previous soloist was already reasonably good with the Susvara and they doubled the power for the GT version. My wallet is confused now with the new options coming out simultaneously!

A ton of power

10w into 16 ohms
8W into 32 ohms
3.8W into 100 ohms

5 to 6 watts for susvara roughly?

 

[FooFighter]

A ton of power

10w into 16 ohms
8W into 32 ohms
3.8W into 100 ohms

5 to 6 watts for susvara roughly?

or get the Burson Timekeeper suggested before with 100W through the speaker ports
https://www.bursonaudio.com/products/timekeeper-3i/

 

[Pashmeister]

A ton of power

10w into 16 ohms
8W into 32 ohms
3.8W into 100 ohms

5 to 6 watts for susvara roughly?

Yeah I’m guessing around 6 watts of class A for Susvara, whereas Bakoon 13r is 4 watts.

I just learned about Ferrum Oor which grants 8 watts. Now I’m on the fence between Ferrum Oor + Hypsos power supply combo vs. Soloist GT. Both are just within my budget and preferred desktop-sized form factor. I feel like there‘s gonna be at least 3 more amp announcements coming up within the next few weeks LOL.

 

[FooFighter]

if we re getting >= 2 Watts into Susvara I am wondering if the competition of getting more and more Watts is really worth it?
I think there was a post somewhere more at the beginning of the thread where it was proved (I remember a graph was posted too) that Watts are not the only main driving factor for Susvara.
Therefore I believe it's more about implementation and sound signature and therefore preference in the end.
I myself am now wondering as I wish to have a combined DAC/AMP wether it's better going for the Timekeeper through the speaker ports or the older Conductor 3X which should still have something around 2 Watts into 80Ohm.
Reviewers are not going beyond a volume of 30-40 (e.g. https://www.headfonia.com/burson-conductor-3x-review/3/)

 

[ThanatosVI]

if we re getting >= 2 Watts into Susvara I am wondering if the competition of getting more and more Watts is really worth it?
I think there was a post somewhere more at the beginning of the thread where it was proved (I remember a graph was posted too) that Watts are not the only main driving factor for Susvara.
Therefore I believe it's more about implementation and sound signature and therefore preference in the end.
I myself am now wondering as I wish to have a combined DAC/AMP wether it's better going for the Timekeeper through the speaker ports or the older Conductor 3X which should still have something around 2 Watts into 80Ohm.
Reviewers are not going beyond a volume of 30-40 (e.g. https://www.headfonia.com/burson-conductor-3x-review/3/)

You had a speaker amp yourself with the Susvara and should know that it's all about the Implementation and inherent Sound of the amplifier.

Max power output doesn't Translate to sound quality. It's more about how stable and fast the power can be provided.

Additionally it also depends on how loud you listen.
Human hearing isn't linear. 3db difference don't feel like much to the ear, but are a factor of 2 in terms of power.
If a Person A listens 20db louder than Person B it needs 100x the power of Person B

 

[Fegefeuer]

Agree with the watts discussion. It's really getting old now.

 

[iFi audio]

if the competition of getting more and more Watts is really worth it?

I don't think that there's any competition going on

Max power output doesn't Translate to sound quality. It's more about how stable and fast the power can be provided.

Agreed, but some cans benefit from amps with tons of power at their disposal