HIFIMAN HE-R10 Closed-Back Headphones Discussion & Impressions
Jan 24, 2024 at 6:40 AM Post #1,171 of 1,210
Hi, created an account yesterday. Messaged them and they have replied saying that they can make the cable, just to add another message when i order.
Went to order it and a message came up on the order page that they can't post to my address?
Try to see if they do the same thing through their shop on Aliexpress or contact them again.
 
Jan 24, 2024 at 2:42 PM Post #1,173 of 1,210
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Jan 24, 2024 at 3:08 PM Post #1,175 of 1,210
Many thanks. Just sent them a message through Aliexpress. Isn't it odd the cable isn't shown on that site?
In the end there are only different connectors that must be 3.5mm on the headphone side and having a particular connection they will have to make it specifically for you. The good thing is that they don't ask for a premium compared to standard cables. Soon you will also pay for the air you breathe... lol
 
Jan 26, 2024 at 7:49 AM Post #1,177 of 1,210
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If I can give advice to those who really want to fully appreciate the capabilities of the HER10D/P I would tell you to take a look at the Shanling H7. It is a dac/amp with performance at the level of a 4k euro dap and costs 760 euro. In addition to this it does not have the aging problems of a dap and can be controlled from your smartphone and play your collection of songs both in streaming and on microsd that is capable of reading (so practically it is a dap without being a dap). It is equipped with a higher level of amplification than any DAP on the market and inside it has two very normal 18650 batteries that are much easier to replace than the proprietary ones present in all DAPs. But above all these considerations it has a level of sound quality that places it well above any DAP as well as being equipped with the top AKM (AK4099EX) chip tuned by Shanling. Whether you want to connect an IEM or headphones, there will be no problems with it because it has a non-existent background noise, a very low output impedance (0,8 ohm balanced) and 1.3 watts of power into 32 ohms. The only downside is that it might make you reflect on the expenses made before purchasing it... but you know... audiophilia doesn't allow us to look back... we always move forward and with an H7 you will really go very far forward.

P.S. Read some reviews of the H7 and see what type of devices the various reviewers compare it with, what price they have and with what results. For me it's the end of the race... for now.
 
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Jan 27, 2024 at 9:25 AM Post #1,178 of 1,210
Another incredibly valid solution (not only for its price) is the Aune Yuki which, thanks to its completely discrete type amplification, provides the HER10D with incredible control... it drives them with ease and in a truly excellent manner. It really seems made for the HER10D... really, really good.

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Jan 29, 2024 at 11:35 AM Post #1,179 of 1,210
Hi, created an account yesterday. Messaged them and they have replied saying that they can make the cable, just to add another message when i order.
Went to order it and a message came up on the order page that they can't post to my address?
Did you order the cable?
 
Jan 29, 2024 at 2:46 PM Post #1,181 of 1,210
Just remember to do it like this...

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Jan 29, 2024 at 5:03 PM Post #1,182 of 1,210
I think I'm going to sell my 1st gen R10p. I have both the plug in dacs. I just don't listen to it much anymore. It was my go to headphone for work, but I have a new setup and don't need wireless anymore. I still recommend them. If anybody is interested PM me or wait for my classified ad.
 
Jan 31, 2024 at 10:38 AM Post #1,183 of 1,210
Hello everyone,

it's time to write a more detailed review of the R10 Planar Stealth Version and the Cayin RU7.
As stated before, I am a buyer not a reviewer.
I am a strong believer in hearing not reading. So whatever I write is true for my hears only.
And I learned that it's mostly about matching. I will get into it later.

I update my last comparison and add my new R10 Planar.

Setup:
AVM CS2.3 lineout into Cayin Ha-3A via RCA for all headphones AND RU7 DSD64(!) directly into R10 Planar
Audeze - standard 6.3 jack unbalanced; mid impedance setting
Hifiman R10D - balanced xlr; low impedance setting
Hifiman R10P - balanced xlr; low impedance setting

Lana Del Rey : Born to Die
The warmth of the R10D suits the song very well, the somewhat shrill highs of the song are attenuated and there is a lot of power in the bass so that the short concise inserts of the kick pressure are well presented.
The LCD plays brighter here, less emotional.
The R10P with the RU7: The voice sounds very good! But the strings seem to interfere with her voice. It sounds too soft. Or in other words, the voice and the strings were to close to each other.

The R10P really improves with the more mature combo: AVM + HA3A! The bass is more present, clearer and everything is more separated. The interference between her voice and the strings is gone.
In the end I like both the super smooth and detailed presentation of the R10P and the bass heavy, emotional presentation with its dark timbre of the R10D.
But there is a total different level in clarity, staging, and tonality.

Imagine Dragons : Believer
Similar to the first song, the track plays more in the upper mids, not too dense in the upper bass. Pauses, higher vocal range. It's precisely these songs that are a lot of fun with the R10D: songs that already have a lot of energy in the treble range and play more selectively in the bass.

The R10 Planar it's next level. Beyond comparison. It's clarity, resolution, speed, smoothness - everything adds up to really immersive experience.
The RU7 sounds good, but the AVM+HA-3A combo adds so much power to the song! The bass is much better, deeper and has more energy, but also all percussive sounds have so much more energy!

Miles Davis: So What
Here the R10D lacks both the low bass and the energy in the treble range to reproduce double bass or trumpet.
It simply lacks clarity, contour and brilliance. It sounds dull.
The Audeze outshines the R10D 10 times from my point of view - in this song.

The R10 Planar revealed something that I haven't noticed before: Distortion.
At 0:49 the unison of the trumpets have a lot of distortion on both sides but the right side is worse.
Beside this it sounds super realistic! You can hear so much more nuances in the play of both, trumpets and double bass.
So sad that the distortion is there. I checked with the other headphones and when you know it you can't ignore it.
But it's way more noticeable with the R10 planar.


Nirvana : Smells like Teen Spirit
With the guitar intro you immediately hear the darker timbre of the R10D.
Then the rest of the band kicks in and the bass guitar dominates the action instead of the guitars.
This makes the song sound dull, lacking brilliance and above all space in the mix. Too bad.
The bass solo is different. Here the guitar is missing, the overemphasized high bass can take up the whole room and is only complemented by the voice. It sounds really phenomenal.
Now the whole thing with the Audeze:
The guitar intro sounds much more aggressive, rockier, you can feel that a thunderstorm is about to break out and that's how it is. The snare hits your ears wonderfully. Kurt's voice unloads in a rage: this is how grunge works!
In contrast to the R10D, the bass solo is a pause, restrained, the voice enjoys full attention.
The song is much more fun with the Audeze, more emotional, more authentic, more in your face.

That's the only song that does not feel right with the R10 Planar. The R10 Planar is a lot smoother as the Audeze and has a bigger stage, clarity and more room, air.
But I don't think any of these good attributes adds any value to the song. I prefer the Audeze for it's more in the face feeling, harsher presentation and somehow energy.


Van Halen: You really got me
By today's standards, this is a thin bung that plays out mainly in the mids and highs. Sounds exactly the same with the Audeze: thin and a bit squeaky.
The R10D gives the guitars much more assertiveness, the whole song sounds much darker. But the voice loses presence, which doesn't help the song. The bottom line is that the sound is much closer to a live performance (where most of the time the bass is too loud).
In both cases, with the R10D and the Audeze, the mix is not convincing.

The R10 Planar creates a lot more coherent experience. The hall effect sounds a lot more natural and the guitars have more energy and still everything is very smooth and less squeaky. I could really enjoy the song - the first time in my life.

Norah Jones : Don't know why
With the R10D you can really turn up the volume here. The headphones take any sharpness out of the voice, even at high volumes. The dark timbre makes the whole song more personal, more intimate, more personal. It creates the image of a small smoky bar, Norah Jones on stage, it could be a local jazz club. I like that very much.

With Audeze it's completely different, everything shimmers, a big stage, a great tuned piano, you're sitting in a concert hall, on the big stage: the world star Norah Jones!
Every nuance of her voice is precisely illuminated.
World class, but no longer intimate.

With R10P:
Well, I did a A/B testing 6 times, as I could not believe the difference between AVM into HA-3A vs RU7 only.
I have to admit, that this song sounds magical with the RU7 and headphones directly connected into the RU7. No tube amp and also the AVM (5800€!) could not deliver that magical tone.
So how to describe it?
This song is all about Norah Jones voice. And maybe some of you know that feeling of a live performance that would make you almost cry. And RU7 with R10 P simply replicate that feeling. And I believe it's created by perfect timbre and timing.
Above I described the room, the things you can discover by hearing and the setting created. Here it's totally different. You don't imagine a room, simply the lips of Norah Jones, you could literally not focus on anything else than her voice, her lips, the way she breaths.
I know how ridiculous that sounds.
And I could not believe that the RU7 is so much better. I mean it costs 7000€ less...
Don't get me wrong, it does not has that extreme sub bass and not the resolution, clarity as the expensive combo. But here that does not add any value.
Sweetness in her voice is key. And the R10 P with the RU7 delivers.
Side note: I listened to this song 8 times in a row.. - that means a lot.

Conclusion:
Well, the R10 Planar are exceptional good headphones! And it's so much ahead of the other two that a comparison to more expensive closed backs seems more reasonable.
But in the end it depends on the combination and the song that you are listening to.
The R10P shines with superb trebles. Very realistic, smooth and still very energetic.
You can experience that with violin songs, e.g "Hilary Hahn plays Bach - Sonata for violin solo no.1 in G minor" it sounds so smooth, realistic and detailed. It's pure pleasure!
And it's these kind of songs, upper mids, trebles and where timbre is key and the RU7 performance beyond belief.
It's the same as with the Norah Jones voice. RU7 smoothness and good timbre add so much emotions.
For all dense and fast songs with bass and percussive sounds I prefer to combine the R10P with a more analytical combo for better clarity, better bass, precision, more power and liveliness
But I can't tell you if the bass improves on the RU7 with a balanced connection.
Compared to the R10D the R10 Planar plays a few leagues higher.
But with some songs where the bass is more important and in the mids there is some room, the R10 D really shines.
And in contrast to my first impression I would recommend to use the R10D with less power (single ended cables) and more analytic sounding dac/amp.
My Ha-3a is quite neutral for a tube amp and still it adds a lot of weight to the R10D (could also be added by balanced cables).
The R10D are the least neutral sounding headphones in this trio. And it does not create these magical moments out of the RU7. But it's a lot of fun as an additional headphone. As the main heaphones I can't recommend it. It's too dark and too specific in it's voicing.

The Audeze is the one with the most harsh trebles in this trio. That's quite funny as I sent back the Hifiman HE1000V2 for it's harsh trebles in comparison to the Audeze.
The Audeze shines when you need a solid clarity, speed and a more in your face feeling. It also has the best isolation.
Thus for metal or grunge or other harsh music I prefer the Audeze for it's unpolished sound.

So what's next?
Maybe I can find a way to combine the good separation, bass, clarity with the magic of the RU7?
I tried to put the RU7 in front of my HA-3A, but it does not seem to add up, it's more like I lose the exceptional bass from my AVM and also lose the magic from the RU7 because the HA-3A is too analytic for the RU7 in DSD64 mode.
So maybe I can do some tube rolling for the HA-3A and get a balanced 4.4. cable for my R10P (and also get a balanced cable for my Audeze for fair comparison).

Chris
Chris,

Thank you for taking the time to provide a review between the R10D & R10P. Sounds like they both can belong in one's collection. I own the R10D now, and may be looking at adding the R10P. Do you have MK1 or MK2 version of the R10P?
 
Feb 7, 2024 at 1:32 PM Post #1,185 of 1,210
So today I received my new R2R Blumini. Well it has the same fault as the returned one.
As soon as you hear with very low volume or when youbstop a song or a song is super quiet (e.g. audible books) I hear a high pitch hiss and distortion.
But when you listen to a song that has continuous sound the issue is gone..
Just to inform: the bluemini has some major design flaws. It sounds great but you cant listen to any audibles books.
 

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