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The M-Stage did a good job at driving the HE-4 for me. It is nowhere near the level of control the SA-31 provides - which produce a much bigger and well defined sound overall - but its warm signature kinda hide its inability to provide enough power and avoid going into the harsh and glary territory.
I could immediately tell the HE-4 is a much better headphone than the K-701 I used to own before, on the very same setup (NFB-3.1 -> M-Stage).
I won't complain about the pricing of the HD800, as it is pretty unique product with a ton of R&D behind. Nevertheless, I think Sennheiser is sometimes really aggressive in their pricing. What the heck were they thinking pricing the HD700 at $1000? But even the HD600 that I dearly love, certainly has a high profit margin (Sennheiser sells each driver for less than $50). Both HD700 and HD600 are plastic headphones with tiny drivers.
The HE-500 on the other hand, contains a lot of metal and high quality drivers that does not seem that cheap to manufacture (though I might be blowing smoke...)
This is some most ridiculous speak right here.
I won't complain about the pricing of the HD800, as it is pretty unique product with a ton of R&D behind. Nevertheless, I think Sennheiser is sometimes really aggressive in their pricing. What the heck were they thinking pricing the HD700 at $1000? But even the HD600 that I dearly love, certainly has a high profit margin (Sennheiser sells each driver for less than $50). Both HD700 and HD600 are plastic headphones with tiny drivers.
The HE-500 on the other hand, contains a lot of metal and high quality drivers that does not seem that cheap to manufacture (though I might be blowing smoke...)
This is some most ridiculous speak right here.
Looking forward to impressions from anybody that has a chance to demo them in NYC tonight.
I won't complain about the pricing of the HD800, as it is pretty unique product with a ton of R&D behind. Nevertheless, I think Sennheiser is sometimes really aggressive in their pricing. What the heck were they thinking pricing the HD700 at $1000? But even the HD600 that I dearly love, certainly has a high profit margin (Sennheiser sells each driver for less than $50). Both HD700 and HD600 are plastic headphones with tiny drivers.
The HE-500 on the other hand, contains a lot of metal and high quality drivers that does not seem that cheap to manufacture (though I might be blowing smoke...) I am sure Sennheiser is already working on their orthodynamic headphones. And I am sure they'll sound great. Though I suspect that they'll have to do a lot of magic to keep similar profit margins.
I'm certain sennheiser poured many more times the amount of dough into R&D than Hifiman, Audeze, or any of the other well-received companies did for their phones. This is especially true for the HD800. There are nuances and special design considerations (plastic material, driver design, headband design driver positioning, just to name a few) that no other companies even bothered to attempt.
In the end, there are some qualities of sound from the HD800s that is unmatched, and may never be matched, by any other headphone maker for at least the immediate future. Soundstage is probably the most notable one. If you make measurements on the HD800, you'll be very surprised at how they compare to even many of the orthos that the Head-fi community worship.
In my opinion that amount of effort is well worth the $1500 price tag on the HD800s. If you want to criticize profit margin, Hifiman's the one to blame with their identical chassis and unrefined headbands (at least with the previous generation), and overall outsourced production. I don't dare to say that Hifiman doesn't make quality products, but I don't think Sennheiser is crossing the line, relative to what other headphone manufacturers are doing.
If Senn is in fact building an ortho, then we've really got something to look forwards to.
Sennheiser building a planar would be cool, but I'd be very afraid of a 6khz peak of death. HD800 sounds subpar in its stock-configuation or unEQ'd, despite its technica merits. HD700 just sounds horrible. HD650 and HD600 are awesome. Amazing how a company just makes crappier products with every successive release.
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