[Joe Bloggs]

I definitely appreciate the offer, unfortunately I have and no longer dabble in any form of software EQ. It tends to introduce artifacts or unwelcome changes in sound. I generally don't touch EQ unless it's hardware.

Objectively speaking hardware EQs introduce more distortion than any software EQ. What they do have in their favour is that they tend to be geared towards gentle slope adjustments over a wide width of frequencies, this is good if you are after changes in the tonality rather than the technicality of the earphones. Unfortunately, to change the latter positively, a lot of testing and research is required before turning any knobs, which was what I was offering to help with.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Don't get me started on HiBy customer service. It's abysmal. I'm in month 9 on my 3rd unit. They growsed about paying my returning postage. Seriously????

I cannot help you anymore if you are going to spray public posts about this out of context.

If you put it this way, perhaps we should have waited longer before agreeing to your 3rd unit?

 

[Joe Bloggs]

@Joe Bloggs I saw your working on Aroma Jewel, will you di the same for Thunder?

@Xinlisupreme Did you test the preset?

Honestly I'd be very curious to know how this works and what are the parameters for each preset as so far I just don't hear any difference really... or I am doing something wrong?

Please note that none of the "bespoke earphone tunings" on the RS6 are my work.

I had offered my services for this but was rejected. As I have been told, they are the work of the earphone manufacturers themselves using the tools available in the Darwin system (of which I have no internal access to or even much privileged knowledge of). What I do for them, now, is to translate the ad copies for these tunings into English. Even that wasn't given to me for the name or the description of the "Hot Monster Output", which is when I first decided I need to dissociate myself from this work, as I have the right to, if I'm not actually associated with it.

I do have knowledge of the internal workings of the original MSEB (not the presets that have been added afterwards), as well as full knowledge of the convolver plugin--although there are some bugs in that one that I currently have to work around, that would not be there, if my current associate in these matters, James Fung of JamesDSP, could be brought on board for it.

Now, if you are after a bespoke tuning from me, you can follow the bolded instructions in this thread:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/off...es-on-supported-devices.960799/#post-16676147
(preferably by posting a reply there )

@Xinlisupreme , I must apologize for not yet responding to your request. Unfortunately I don't yet know anything sonically about your earphones, and from the description you gave so far, it sounds like you could just push the "Air" slider on the MSEB, to satisfy your desire for more air. Was there anything else you were after?

@davidmolliere , would you like to put in a request, but naming your current earphones and describing how they are sounding to you?

 

[ayanachibi]

It's a hard one to swallow, but I must point out that, if all impressions in this thread are taken together, then the RS6 has been at once bassy and bass-shy, warm and cold, bright and dark, forward and veiled, etc.

If the RS6 is this one single design, these impressions cannot all be true.

Unless there is some level of manufacturing variances that is causing such inconsistencies? Its actually very baffling because this is also a first for me that I have seen a single player be so divisive on opinion and everyone having such a varied opinion or feedback. Besides the difference in transducer used the only thing else I can think of is potential inconsistencies in manufacturing causing large unit variances. For most other players I've seen there's generally a certain degree of consistency in descriptors but in the case of the RS6 at least in this thread seems to be all over the place.

Unfortunately just like any other consumer that buys their own hardware, we can only try a sample size of one. No sane consumer would go out of their way to buy and test 10 units to see if they all sound the same or not. This is up to the manufacturer during the QC process no?

Objectively speaking hardware EQs introduce more distortion than any software EQ. What they do have in their favour is that they tend to be geared towards gentle slope adjustments over a wide width of frequencies, this is good if you are after changes in the tonality rather than the technicality of the earphones. Unfortunately, to change the latter positively, a lot of testing and research is required before turning any knobs, which was what I was offering to help with.

While I appreciate the helpful intentions here, very few normal consumers would be willing to take the time to keep a device to try and fix the sound to something they would end up enjoying with no guarantees. Most people would just return it and move on.

This remains the same approach when I consider my own feedback. Is the drawback of this device something I can live with? Do the positives out weight the negatives? Can the issues of this device be corrected easily?

Honestly I was extremely excited when I saw the announcement and confirmation that it is a discrete R-2R device at a price 36% of the P6 Pro, and barring that in mind I did not expect it to perform at the level of the P6P as a TOTL player either, plus the user experience is no question better than L&P's custom OS. However a DAP's most importance is in its sound...and I personally find it extremely hard to recommend it without a significant number of catches or conditions, and at $1400 its no small amount for mass market.

The RS6 is no doubt a valiant first attempt at a discrete R-2R and I'm definitely still excited to see the next attempt from Hiby. I rather quite enjoyed the R6 Pro for as long as I had it (1 year) for its price its impossible to beat.

 

[littlexx26]

Unless there is some level of manufacturing variances that is causing such inconsistencies? Its actually very baffling because this is also a first for me that I have seen a single player be so divisive on opinion and everyone having such a varied opinion or feedback. Besides the difference in transducer used the only thing else I can think of is potential inconsistencies in manufacturing causing large unit variances. For most other players I've seen there's generally a certain degree of consistency in descriptors but in the case of the RS6 at least in this thread seems to be all over the place.

Unfortunately just like any other consumer that buys their own hardware, we can only try a sample size of one. No sane consumer would go out of their way to buy and test 10 units to see if they all sound the same or not. This is up to the manufacturer during the QC process no?


While I appreciate the helpful intentions here, very few normal consumers would be willing to take the time to keep a device to try and fix the sound to something they would end up enjoying with no guarantees. Most people would just return it and move on.

This remains the same approach when I consider my own feedback. Is the drawback of this device something I can live with? Do the positives out weight the negatives? Can the issues of this device be corrected easily?

Honestly I was extremely excited when I saw the announcement and confirmation that it is a discrete R-2R device at a price 36% of the P6 Pro, and barring that in mind I did not expect it to perform at the level of the P6P as a TOTL player either, plus the user experience is no question better than L&P's custom OS. However a DAP's most importance is in its sound...and I personally find it extremely hard to recommend it without a significant number of catches or conditions, and at $1400 its no small amount for mass market.

The RS6 is no doubt a valiant first attempt at a discrete R-2R and I'm definitely still excited to see the next attempt from Hiby. I rather quite enjoyed the R6 Pro for as long as I had it (1 year) for its price its impossible to beat.

have you tested your unit playing dsd? my one sounds like 64k mp3 with noise

 

[ayanachibi]

have you tested your unit playing dsd? my one sounds like 64k mp3 with noise

Unfortunately no, for 2 reasons:

1. I have very little DSD collection and its really only used for testing/comparison purposes (for the 4 albums I do own in DSD I also bought the corresponding FLAC version for direct comparison, and I can confirm the DSD is actually the original unedited recording with some background noise while the PCM had the same noise edited out.)
2. R-2R design is intended to process PCM. It actually does not feed DSD thru the R-2R ladder unless the player is pre-converting the DSD into PCM first, which defeats the purpose of buying a R-2R device in the first place if you intend to use it for DSD.

That said, if there is enough interest I can definitely borrow the player from the friend I passed it onto to try DSD on it.

 

[twister6]

have you tested your unit playing dsd? my one sounds like 64k mp3 with noise

Would it be possible to hear the dsd file you referring to? Maybe you can ping me in PM with a link?

 

[littlexx26]

Unfortunately no, for 2 reasons:

1. I have very little DSD collection and its really only used for testing/comparison purposes (for the 4 albums I do own in DSD I also bought the corresponding FLAC version for direct comparison, and I can confirm the DSD is actually the original unedited recording with some background noise while the PCM had the same noise edited out.)
2. R-2R design is intended to process PCM. It actually does not feed DSD thru the R-2R ladder unless the player is pre-converting the DSD into PCM first, which defeats the purpose of buying a R-2R device in the first place if you intend to use it for DSD.

That said, if there is enough interest I can definitely borrow the player from the friend I passed it onto to try DSD on it.

and he is the third owner of the unit?

 

[littlexx26]

Would it be possible to hear the dsd file you referring to? Maybe you can ping me in PM with a link?

All dsd files including sacd isos I have from dsd64 to dsd256 sound same. I don't think it is related to any particular file

 

[ayanachibi]

and he is the third owner of the unit?

If you can count 2 days as ownership then yes haha

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Unless there is some level of manufacturing variances that is causing such inconsistencies? Its actually very baffling because this is also a first for me that I have seen a single player be so divisive on opinion and everyone having such a varied opinion or feedback. Besides the difference in transducer used the only thing else I can think of is potential inconsistencies in manufacturing causing large unit variances. For most other players I've seen there's generally a certain degree of consistency in descriptors but in the case of the RS6 at least in this thread seems to be all over the place.

Unfortunately just like any other consumer that buys their own hardware, we can only try a sample size of one. No sane consumer would go out of their way to buy and test 10 units to see if they all sound the same or not. This is up to the manufacturer during the QC process no?


While I appreciate the helpful intentions here, very few normal consumers would be willing to take the time to keep a device to try and fix the sound to something they would end up enjoying with no guarantees. Most people would just return it and move on.

This remains the same approach when I consider my own feedback. Is the drawback of this device something I can live with? Do the positives out weight the negatives? Can the issues of this device be corrected easily?

Honestly I was extremely excited when I saw the announcement and confirmation that it is a discrete R-2R device at a price 36% of the P6 Pro, and barring that in mind I did not expect it to perform at the level of the P6P as a TOTL player either, plus the user experience is no question better than L&P's custom OS. However a DAP's most importance is in its sound...and I personally find it extremely hard to recommend it without a significant number of catches or conditions, and at $1400 its no small amount for mass market.

The RS6 is no doubt a valiant first attempt at a discrete R-2R and I'm definitely still excited to see the next attempt from Hiby. I rather quite enjoyed the R6 Pro for as long as I had it (1 year) for its price its impossible to beat.

Thanks for your kind comments. The reason I suggested what I suggested, was not to solve the issues specific to the RS6, but to solve the issues specific to your particular earphones / ear combinations. While you describe the issues as specific to the RS6, I am of the opinion that some if not all of these issues are innate to the earphones / ear combinations, and you will hear them again soon, on another player, even your favourite one, on another day when your ears are attuned to listening for flaws again.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I am not here to absolve the RS6 of all reported flaws, so you don't need to reply saying I'm wrong and that I shouldn't try to do that, because I already know people think I am wrong and that's not what I'm trying to do.

As for the point regarding consensus in opinion, perhaps I do not read enough, but it does seem to me that non-consensus of how a piece of playback equipment sounds is the norm rather than the exception, unless the unit later turns out to have some significant technical peculiarity that affected sybergy in a known technical way. E.g. everyone could agree that the original R6 sounded sharper with the Campfire Andromeda than most other units, but that's because the original R6 had 10 ohms of output impedance and the Andromeda had a high frequency peak inits impedance response, skewing the output FR of the combination despite a flat measured FR using a pure resistive load. Other than that, I can easily point to examples in just about any thread I read where people take exception to the community consensus of how a model sounds, and often, if one tallies the number of actual impressions in each direction, the consensus is more imagination than fact anyway. Again, I know that this is an unpopular opinion, so you don't need to reply saying I'm wrong, because I already know that

 

[ayanachibi]

Thanks for your kind comments. The reason I suggested what I suggested, was not to solve the issues specific to the RS6, but to solve the issues specific to your particular earphones / ear combinations. While you describe the issues as specific to the RS6, I am of the opinion that some if not all of these issues are innate to the earphones / ear combinations, and you will hear them again soon, on another player, even your favourite one, on another day when your ears are attuned to listening for flaws again.

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I am not here to absolve the RS6 of all reported flaws, so you don't need to reply saying I'm wrong and that I shouldn't try to do that, because I already know people think I am wrong and that's not what I'm trying to do.

You are definitely not wrong in that statement, this hobby is far too subjective on top of the the human anatomy being the biggest hurdle for any degree of consistency. That and individual preferences. Plus, human auditory recognition memory (echoic memory) is absolutely horrible and is simply unreliable more than half a dozen seconds for A-B comparisons. It's not as if I don't have any complaints about the P6P on certain days; sometimes I just want that slam (and the RS6 absolutely delivers here, I just cant justify holding onto a device of this price for such a niche case scenario...hence I made a 7ohm 4.4mm adapter to throw onto the Sarda to get it).

As for the point regarding consensus in opinion, perhaps I do not read enough, but it does seem to me that non-consensus of how a piece of playback equipment sounds is the norm rather than the exception, unless the unit later turns out to have some significant technical peculiarity that affected sybergy in a known technical way. E.g. everyone could agree that the original R6 sounded sharper with the Campfire Andromeda than most other units, but that's because the original R6 had 10 ohms of output impedance and the Andromeda had a high frequency peak inits impedance response, skewing the output FR of the combination despite a flat measured FR using a pure resistive load. Other than that, I can easily point to examples in just about any thread I read where people take exception to the community consensus of how a model sounds, and often, if one tallies the number of actual impressions in each direction, the consensus is more imagination than fact anyway. Again, I know that this is an unpopular opinion, so you don't need to reply saying I'm wrong, because I already know that

This particular point unfortunately for all of us plays into confirmation bias where we all tend to agree with those comments more similar to our own experience and defend against those that differ otherwise, but I would without a doubt take your technical expertise over my own.

The only thing I seem to have going for me is a potential pair of golden ears (tested to be able to hear at 5db reliably and less reliably as low as 2db at a specialist when I got a set of custom molds last year).

 

[gLer]

All dsd files including sacd isos I have from dsd64 to dsd256 sound same. I don't think it is related to any particular file

Do you own an RS6 or are you going by memory?

This whole DSD 'issue' has been disproven by myself and others earlier in this thread, and your repeated suggestions to the contrary are simply not warranted.

Further, you don't seem to understand the relationship between R2R and DSD, irrespective of the fact that the RS6 does an excellent job with DSD, to my ears and across a wide range of DSDs, despite using an entirely different circuit to process them natively.

If you have anything else constructive to offer please do so, otherwise please refrain from making baseless statements on this thread.

 

[littlexx26]

Do you own an RS6 or are you going by memory?

This whole DSD 'issue' has been disproven by myself and others earlier in this thread, and your repeated suggestions to the contrary are simply not warranted.

Further, you don't seem to understand the relationship between R2R and DSD, irrespective of the fact that the RS6 does an excellent job with DSD, to my ears and across a wide range of DSDs, despite using an entirely different circuit to process them natively.

If you have anything else constructive to offer please do so, otherwise please refrain from making baseless statements on this thread.

thank you. I am answering inquiry

 

[Joe Bloggs]

thank you. I am answering inquiry

There were some issues with getting the Darwin architecture to render DSD natively, such that I can believe an issue like yours may have arisen in some cases. However, by all accounts this is an isolated incident, either in terms of the particular unit you had or the particular file you used, and without you having the unit with you, or us having a copy of the file(s) in question, there's no way to reproduce the issue anymore. Sorry about that.