Help a Lousy Photgrapher Pick a Digital Camera

May 8, 2006 at 3:50 PM Post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by seeberg
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Haha, now that I've got you thinkin' about it, you can't resist... You must have SLR glory LOL!

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Abe



So true, Abe.
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My concern about a dSLR is just that it will be too hard to use for a newb like me. But I tend to learn fast and my wife is pretty decent with a camera. The image stabilization is a concern, though. How much of a problem is shake with the current crop of entry-level dSLRs? And how much faster are they in terms of recovery time, because this will be important. Finally, as I understand it the dSLRs perform better in low light, true?

poor, poor wallet.
 
May 8, 2006 at 9:49 PM Post #32 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Monkey
So true, Abe.
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My concern about a dSLR is just that it will be too hard to use for a newb like me. But I tend to learn fast and my wife is pretty decent with a camera. The image stabilization is a concern, though. How much of a problem is shake with the current crop of entry-level dSLRs? And how much faster are they in terms of recovery time, because this will be important. Finally, as I understand it the dSLRs perform better in low light, true?

poor, poor wallet.



DSLR's are actually quite easy to use, IMHO. I've only been messing with cameras at all for a year, and the D50 is actually easier to use than my previous Polaroid PDC5070(the worst camera ever made
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Reason being, all the switches on a DSLR respond properly, especially in manual modes, mine of choice being Aperture Priority- one also isn't requred to be tethered to a menu driven system. Command dials allow ISO, quality, white balance, exposure, and some other functions by simply holding an appropriate button and spinning a wheel, which couldn't be easier, unless the camera knew what I was thinking(now wouldn't that be nice, LOL?). The use of such a camera tends to get less in the way of the creative eye of the person tabking the shot. Since there's no LCD screen or motorized zooming, there's alot less battery drain (the D50 and most newer Nikons/Canons perfom excellently in this regard). Image stabilization has to be added to most DSLR's currently on the market; the exception is the Minolta Maxxum 5D/7D, which contain CCD-anti shake, meaning all lenses used with those camera bodies get the benefits of anti shake, but lenses like the 18-200 VR are a bit better in this regard- they cost more, but are said to work a little better and faster. Of course, I have yet to use one, so I'm probably talking out of my arse
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My technique on combating camera shake is to hold the camera properly, brace it if possible, and use it wide open whenever I can, to get in as much light as I can.

If your shutter speed exceeds the motor drive framrate of any SLR, digtal or not, then there is no lag. Cameras like the Rebel XT's 3 fps and D50's 2.5 are exactly that, as long as your shutter speed isnt super slow. recovery time is practically instintaneous, aside from flash charge lag, but that's minimal, and as long as you shy away from using an asssist illuminator to combat red eye, the flash works faster with better results most of the time. It usually depends on the performance of the lens, but yes, most of the time an SLR will perform better in low light, especially if one uses something like a fixed focus 50mm f1.8, which has an aperture so large that low light(but shallow), non flash, sharp low light exposures should be a very good possibility. Most of this info is explained in better detail at www.kenrockwell.com, and of course I could be wrong about a few things, but I hope the info helps!

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May 8, 2006 at 11:12 PM Post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Monkey
So true, Abe.
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My concern about a dSLR is just that it will be too hard to use for a newb like me. But I tend to learn fast and my wife is pretty decent with a camera. The image stabilization is a concern, though. How much of a problem is shake with the current crop of entry-level dSLRs? And how much faster are they in terms of recovery time, because this will be important. Finally, as I understand it the dSLRs perform better in low light, true?

poor, poor wallet.



A DSLR isn't any harder to use than a point-and-shoot, really. What a DSLR will do initially is overwhelm you with the amount of manual control that you have over your shot. Once you figure out what's what, get your apertures and shutter speeds straight, then you'll definitely like the control that a DSLR gives you. I shoot full manual, and I'll never go back to point-and-shoots where this isn't an option. Shooting manual is a lot easier to me than aperture or shutterspeed priority, since you have full control, and never have to worry about the camera exposing something differently from what you want. Also, once you start using histograms, you'll find shooting really easy. There's really no need to worry about exposure when you know how to use histograms right.

DSLR's have better low-light performance due to the larger size of the sensor. A non-SLR with a large sensor like the Sony DSC-R1 can potentially match the low-light performance of a DSLR, but I don't think the R1 is quite there yet. An SLR is virtually noise-free up to ISO 400, and 800 is still quite usable. 1600 and 3200 will require heavy noise reduction, but will give you the ability to pull of shots that you ordinarily wouldn't be able to take hand-held. Of course, a point-and-shoot is usually useless at 400, so with a DSLR, you're going to be shooting at a faster shutter speed than a point-and-shoot under similar lighting conditions, so shake isn't something you have to worry about. You can always get an internally stabilized lens, and I think Minolta once made a DSLR with internal IS via a movable sensor (7D I think it was called).

I started on the Sony DSC-F707, but moved onto a DSLR pretty quickly. I don't regret the switch (though the wallet does!). I'm still a newb, so to speak, but I don't find using a DSLR all that difficult. Taking good photos, on the other hand...
 
May 9, 2006 at 12:48 AM Post #34 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Monkey
So true, Abe.
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My concern about a dSLR is just that it will be too hard to use for a newb like me. But I tend to learn fast and my wife is pretty decent with a camera. The image stabilization is a concern, though. How much of a problem is shake with the current crop of entry-level dSLRs? And how much faster are they in terms of recovery time, because this will be important. Finally, as I understand it the dSLRs perform better in low light, true?

poor, poor wallet.



To use the standard Head-Fi quote, "Sorry about your wallet."
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The beauty of a DSLR is that you can use it in any mode from Program automation, where the camera makes all the decisions, to full manual, where you make all the decisions. Add an IS lens, and with the low-noise at high ISO capability of a DSLR, you can pull off low light shots a P&S camera can't even come close to. A 50 f/1.8 lens is a good low-light lens, and on a 1.6x crop sensor camera (the majority of DSLR's are this format, knowns as APS-C), it's also a perfect focal length for portraits. They also sell for less than $100. IS lenses tend to be pricey (the Canon 17-85 IS is around $500).
 
May 9, 2006 at 2:10 AM Post #35 of 62
Thanks everyone. I just wouldn't be a proper head-fier if I didn't move up to a dSLR.
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Actually, I'm realizing that now that the baby will be taking over my DIY space, I'll need a new hobby (er, in addition to the baby). So maybe learning a dSLR will be a good thing (just go along with the rationalization, please).

So, now I just need to settle on a good entry-level model with a decent lens kit and I guess I'm oof to the races. I have an old, low-end third-party lens for a Pentax manual (80-200mm f4.5). Seems useless enough that I shouldn't bank on using with a newer Pentax.

I guess I'll be making a trip to B&H this weekend...
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In all seriousness, thanks for the helpful advice. Please keep it coming.
 
May 9, 2006 at 2:16 AM Post #37 of 62
Vincent,

Just came back to this thread late. Awesome! I have no doubt you'll be thrilled with the D50. I'm an absolute photography newbie as well, and I'm really happy with my Canon entry-level DSLR. I'm sure your D50 will be far better than what I've got, as mine was the very first to market.

Honestly, 90% of the time I've got it on auto and it takes far superior pictures over my pretty good point and shoot. And that 10% of the time I don't have it on auto, I just take macro pictures of headphones.
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I do hope to get that manual mode to a bigger percentage...

I just bought a photography guidebook that I thought was pretty informative for us beginning DSLR folk. I'll loan it to you once I'm back from my Japan trip.

Best,

-Jason
 
May 9, 2006 at 2:21 AM Post #38 of 62
I'm shopping for a DSLR too. Went to J&R Music world this past weekend to check out the selection. Initially I was just going to get the Nikon D50 kit with the 18-70mm lens. After that trip, I decided that I wanted the D70s...now 2 days later I'm considering the D200 with the 18-200 VR lens. The only saving grace is that it is sold out everywhere...so I have some more time to think about it. Somehow this has the making of a new curse and I'm certain I've found another way to be sorry about my wallet.
 
May 9, 2006 at 3:51 AM Post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Monkey
Is there a new flavor of the D50 coming out anytime soon?

EDIT: Oh, and Oski, I'll see you at B&H.
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Not that I've seen. The D200 is the newest thing out from Nikon, and it would seem that their DSLR lineup has no holes in it- the D50 is the beginner's dream machine, the D70s is the step up to semi-pro, the D200 is for the pro that wants a compact brick of a supercamera, and the D2H and D2X are the big bad uberpro, uberexpensive ultra cameras.

BTW, I got my D50 at Cameta Camera- it was a package deal with an 18-55 kit lens, a 70-300 G lens, 2GB SD card, extra EN-EL3a battery, case, and cleaning kit. Total price was $815, and all it lacked was filters and a tripod(which I ended up getting for my birthday).

Happy shooting!

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May 9, 2006 at 3:56 AM Post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by Oski
I'm shopping for a DSLR too. Went to J&R Music world this past weekend to check out the selection. Initially I was just going to get the Nikon D50 kit with the 18-70mm lens. After that trip, I decided that I wanted the D70s...now 2 days later I'm considering the D200 with the 18-200 VR lens. The only saving grace is that it is sold out everywhere...so I have some more time to think about it. Somehow this has the making of a new curse and I'm certain I've found another way to be sorry about my wallet.


i've had my D70 for about a year now using the 18-70 lens (good lens for the price) and a cheapie 70-300 that i just sold. i'm a few weeks past ordering the 18-200VR lens and it's like a 3 month wait for that...

in another year i'm hoping to upgrade to the D200 as well, or maybe a D300?? in any case, the D70 has served me well and i heartily recommend it to newbies. you can't go wrong with any of the bodies you mention...good luck.
 
May 10, 2006 at 6:18 PM Post #42 of 62
Okay, just pulled the trigger on the D70s kit with the 18-70mm lens. It just makes sense given that the D70s performs very well and that the whole kit is just a bit more than the 18-200mm VR lens I was also eyeing. I figure I'd wait until next year when the price on the D200 and the 18-200mm lens drops to upgrade. Thanks for the recommendation guys!
 
May 10, 2006 at 6:37 PM Post #43 of 62
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Can someone send this thread link to Zanth? I thought Ottawa was in the earthquake area zone as every picture he takes looks like one has hit ottawa.



So I hit the "New Posts" button and saw this thread. The title left me with a sense that El Detroit Fanatic would post something about my er...lack of photography skills. Looky looky! He did!
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So, yeah, I suck hard when it comes to photography. What's worse is that my dad is a pro photographer (or well, a hobbyist with shots in National Geographic).

What I need is a good cam. My little Canon A300 just doesn't do it for me! I'm thinking D70 eventually, though last night I was speaking with folks who think I should strive for the D200 but that is a bit too rich for my blood.
 
May 10, 2006 at 6:45 PM Post #44 of 62
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Originally Posted by Oski
Okay, just pulled the trigger on the D70s kit with the 18-70mm lens. It just makes sense given that the D70s performs very well and that the whole kit is just a bit more than the 18-200mm VR lens I was also eyeing. I figure I'd wait until next year when the price on the D200 and the 18-200mm lens drops to upgrade. Thanks for the recommendation guys!


Oski, congrats on the purchase. Where did you get the kit? J&R?
 
May 10, 2006 at 8:32 PM Post #45 of 62
yeah, congrats on the purchase! i think you'll love it...now you'll spend money on a bag/case, flash card reader, memory, etc...never stops. i have three simple recommendations:

1. get a filter for your lens...not so much to do anything photographic, but to protect your lens. a UV filter would work nicely.

2. spring for the external flash - either the sb-600 or 800 (i'd do the 600 for almost 1/2 the price of the 800)

3. get a monopod. faster, simpler, and more useful than a tripod, IMO...

tell us how you like it...
 

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