[msing539]

I think if you don't enjoy the bass quantity on the HD600, the HD650 isn't going to get you there.

For bass, something like an E-mu Teak will have the warmth you're looking for, but it's not 'very' detailed. Certainly better than the 99 Classics. Another more neutral option with good bass is the Fostex TR-X00 Ebony.

Of these, bass quantity: 99 Classics > E-mu Teak > TR-X00 Ebony > HD650 > HD600

All of these have less bass than the 99 Classics but are more refined.

 

[Pharmaboy]

HD650
HD6XX
LCD-2 Classic

I totally forgot about the LCD-2 Classic. That's a great call.

Here's a link to all of them F.S. currently. A few are in UK or EU.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/audeze-lcd-2-classic

 

[stevehecht]

HD650
HD6XX
LCD-2 Classic

LCD-3 (pre-fazor)?

 

[earmonger]

ATH-R70X...the improved (with bass extension) idea of the HD650.
https://www.thomann.de/it/audio_technica_ath_r70_x.htm

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17535412/audio-technica-r70x-review-professional-headphones
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/aud...epth-review-impressions.765004/#post-11565944

 

[gimmeheadroom]

I totally forgot about the LCD-2 Classic. That's a great call.

Here's a link to all of them F.S. currently. A few are in UK or EU.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/audeze-lcd-2-classic

Well LCD-2C is good on warmth but it's not detailed nor does it have a wide soundstage. And I don't think it's a great match for jazz and even less good for classical.

I'm kinda leaning towards the suggestions (I think @msing539 mentioned it first) about a good tube amp. The HD 600s are really good for jazz and not bad for classical.

 

[Death_Block]

Yes and they work nice with my Darkvoice, but I'm searching for headphones that sound different from them

It will make them sound different?

 

[JediMa70]

It will make them sound different?

It does, they sound warmer but losing detail. It's a good combination for a relaxed listening

 

[JediMa70]

Well LCD-2C is good on warmth but it's not detailed nor does it have a wide soundstage. And I don't think it's a great match for jazz and even less good for classical.

I'm kinda leaning towards the suggestions (I think @msing539 mentioned it first) about a good tube amp. The HD 600s are really good for jazz and not bad for classical.

LCD-2C are HP that I like but they crush my budget 899 euros

 

[JediMa70]

ATH-R70X...the improved (with bass extension) idea of the HD650.
https://www.thomann.de/it/audio_technica_ath_r70_x.htm

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/6/17535412/audio-technica-r70x-review-professional-headphones
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/aud...epth-review-impressions.765004/#post-11565944

Interesting ones I didn't know them, but I'm not sure if my amp would be enough to deal with those 470 oHm

 

[gimmeheadroom]

There seems to be a good community of tube amplifier builders in Italy. Perhaps if you look around you can find one that works well with your choice of music.

 

[JediMa70]

The Grado I mentioned are really not worth it? I've read excellent reviews but I trust your opinions more

 

[earmonger]

I have Grado SR325 (original, not e, i, or x) and they are not nearly as comfortable and more mids-centered than the ATH-R70X. If I do a bass frequency sweep from audiocheck.net, some bass just isn't there.

The Grado SR325 are fun for rock. But for analytical music like jazz and classical -- and for long listening sessions -- I prefer the ATH-R70X. For what it's worth, if there are any other sentient beings living with you, for others in the room the ATH-R70X are also a little quieter than the Grado at the same listening volume.

I have run the ATH-R70X straight out of my MacBook laptop and they sound good. Amping does widen the soundstage, but it is not an absolute necessity.

Your Darkvoice 336SE shows specs
https://drop.com/buy/dark-voice-366se/details#details
including

• Impedance: 32 ~ 600 Ohms

That's plenty to drive the ATH-R70X.

 

[Pharmaboy]

What about the Quad ERA planar? I've read some good things about that one. Here'a used listing from Germany:

https://www.audio-markt.de/market/quad-quad-»era-1«-hifi-kopfhoerer-746957123

(in my experience, most planars have the bass you want)

 

[JediMa70]

I have Grado SR325 (original, not e, i, or x) and they are not nearly as comfortable and more mids-centered than the ATH-R70X. If I do a bass frequency sweep from audiocheck.net, some bass just isn't there.

The Grado SR325 are fun for rock. But for analytical music like jazz and classical -- and for long listening sessions -- I prefer the ATH-R70X. For what it's worth, if there are any other sentient beings living with you, for others in the room the ATH-R70X are also a little quieter than the Grado at the same listening volume.

I have run the ATH-R70X straight out of my MacBook laptop and they sound good. Amping does widen the soundstage, but it is not an absolute necessity.

Your Darkvoice 336SE shows specs
https://drop.com/buy/dark-voice-366se/details#details
including

• Impedance: 32 ~ 600 Ohms

That's plenty to drive the ATH-R70X.

I also have a JDS Labs Atom amp. So good to know and then I would put those ATH at the top of my list

 

[earmonger]

I don't think you'd regret it. And if you do, Thomann has a 30-day return policy.