Grado e Series

[stacker45]

All else being equal, I guess that a 50mm driver will generate more bass, and less treble, than a 40mm driver, at least, that's the conclusion I came to, after comparing my PS1000 with the e serie.

 

[MacedonianHero]

  All else being equal, I guess that a 50mm driver will generate more bass, and less treble, than a 40mm driver, at least, that's the conclusion I came to, after comparing my PS1000 with the e serie.

 
The 50mm driver should be better for bass and less distortion. But with regards to treble, the HD800s (56mm drivers) have no problem producing that. 

 

 

[stacker45]

That's why I said, ''all else being equal'', surely you don't think that Sennheiser uses the exact same materials and fabrication method for their drivers, as Grado does.

 

[MacedonianHero]

  That's why I said, ''all else being equal'', surely you don't think that Sennheiser uses the exact same materials and fabrication method for their drivers, as Grado does.

Nope...just that one can use "larger" drivers and still have outstanding treble extension. The PS1000e's do have a bit less treble energy (thankfully to my ears) than the PS1000s...and I do find them a bit more "even" sounding. Again, certainly not night and day. 

 

[diamondears]

Has anybody compared the sr325is to the sr325e?

This will be interesting.

 

[diamondears]

Nope...just that one can use "larger" drivers and still have outstanding treble extension. The PS1000e's do have a bit less treble energy (thankfully to my ears) than the PS1000s...and I do find them a bit more "even" sounding. Again, certainly not night and day. 

IYO, is the "less" treble energy due to it being actually less or just "beaten" /"overshadowed" by the bass increase?

 

[MacedonianHero]

IYO, is the "less" treble energy due to it being actually less or just "beaten" /"overshadowed" by the bass increase?

There isn't more mid bass, but more sub-bass. And there is a bit less treble energy ( confirmed by frequency sweeps).

 

[stacker45]

Again, ''all else being equal'' M.H. if Sennheiser would use a 50mm driver, instead of 56mm, the treble would probably be, that much hotter.
 
As I always say, when you get to this level, there is no ''i''mproved or ''e''volution, for me, it's all ''d''ifferent, And let's not forget, our respective upstream equipement is also different. So if my old PS1000 had an ideal synergy with my sound system. it's not surprising that I ended up preferring them, to the e serie.
 
I believe that manufaturers have to stir things up every few years, if they don't, they'll be accused of resting on their laurels. I mean, do we really need a cable the size of a garden hose, to feed  2'' speakers.
 
Take the HP1000 for example,, they are still viewed by many as THE best headphones that Grado has ever made, and they're over 20 years old now. And for others, it's the first gen, buttoned RS1. It just goes to show...  

 

[diamondears]

Again, ''all else being equal'' M.H. if Sennheiser would use a 50mm driver, instead of 56mm, the treble would probably be, that much hotter.

As I always say, when you get to this level, there is no ''i''mproved or ''e''volution, for me, it's all ''d''ifferent, And let's not forget, our respective upstream equipement is also different. So if my old PS1000 had an ideal synergy with my sound system. it's not surprising that I ended up preferring them, to the e serie.

I believe that manufaturers have to stir things up every few years, if they don't, they'll be accused of resting on their laurels. I mean, do we really need a cable the size of a garden hose, to feed  2'' speakers.

Take the HP1000 for example,, they are still viewed by many as THE best headphones that Grado has ever made, and they're over 20 years old now. And for others, it's the first gen, buttoned RS1. It just goes to show...  

Yeah, there's a reason tweeters are very small (1 inchers) and subwoofers are bigger.

What's the unique physical characteristics of the HP1000? And what's its equivalent Grado model now, hierarchy-wise?

 

[stacker45]

The HP1000 date back 20+ years, when John's uncle, Joseph, was at the head of the company. They are very well built, certainly better than any current production Grados. Among the 1000 pairs, Among the 1000 pairs they're are 3 sub models, HP1, HP2, and HP3, it would take to long to explain all the differences between them, so, I invite you to research this, if it's of any interest to you. 
 
They were the flagship model, and they are a limited production (1000 pairs), headphones. So, their equivalent today would be the PS1000.
 
According to some people, they are THE best headphones that Grado has ever made. Some think that they are one of the best headphones ever made, period.
 
Their main charactristic is that they sound very neutral. They are very good at getting out of the way, and let the music do it's thing.
 
For the record, as good as the HP1000 are, I still prefer my PS1000 to my HP1000.

 

[MacedonianHero]

  Again, ''all else being equal'' M.H. if Sennheiser would use a 50mm driver, instead of 56mm, the treble would probably be, that much hotter.
 
As I always say, when you get to this level, there is no ''i''mproved or ''e''volution, for me, it's all ''d''ifferent, And let's not forget, our respective upstream equipement is also different. So if my old PS1000 had an ideal synergy with my sound system. it's not surprising that I ended up preferring them, to the e serie.
 
I believe that manufaturers have to stir things up every few years, if they don't, they'll be accused of resting on their laurels. I mean, do we really need a cable the size of a garden hose, to feed  2'' speakers.
 
Take the HP1000 for example,, they are still viewed by many as THE best headphones that Grado has ever made, and they're over 20 years old now. And for others, it's the first gen, buttoned RS1. It just goes to show...  

 
I agree "generally" speaking, but as mentioned size of the drivers has some play, but so do other factors when it comes to "tuning" headphones...the example I gave was the HD800s that have bigger drivers than say most TOTL headphones, but "less bass" and "more treble". 

 

[jaywillin]

dang, I sure thought someone would have jumped on a practically new pair of gs1000e's ,

 

[diamondears]

The HP1000 date back 20+ years, when John's uncle, Joseph, was at the head of the company. They are very well built, certainly better than any current production Grados. Among the 1000 pairs, Among the 1000 pairs they're are 3 sub models, HP1, HP2, and HP3, it would take to long to explain all the differences between them, so, I invite you to research this, if it's of any interest to you. 

They were the flagship model, and they are a limited production (1000 pairs), headphones. So, their equivalent today would be the PS1000.

According to some people, they are THE best headphones that Grado has ever made. Some think that they are one of the best headphones ever made, period.

Their main charactristic is that they sound very neutral. They are very good at getting out of the way, and let the music do it's thing.

For the record, as good as the HP1000 are, I still prefer my PS1000 to my HP1000.

Must be one heck of a headphone. Is it wood too like RS/GS?

 

[one1speed]

  dang, I sure thought someone would have jumped on a practically new pair of gs1000e's ,

 
I will tell you these have been admired more than once, though am afraid I'm not in a position to pull the trigger. Best of luck!

 

[diamondears]

I will tell you these have been admired more than once, though am afraid I'm not in a position to pull the trigger. Best of luck!

Any link? How much?