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Did you try with the foobar equalizer?. Can you share with us your eq. settings?.
BTW, WE NEED A DT880 SMILEY!.
BTW, WE NEED A DT880 SMILEY!.
Originally Posted by fjf Did you try with the foobar equalizer?. Can you share with us your eq. settings?. BTW, WE NEED A DT880 SMILEY!. |
Originally Posted by fewtch Congratulations! To my ears, the DT880 is damn close to the perfect headphone. |
Originally Posted by fjf Did you try with the foobar equalizer?. Can you share with us your eq. settings?. BTW, WE NEED A DT880 SMILEY!. |
Originally Posted by sionghchan Hey Fewtch, I remember reading your thread when you first got your DT880 and you were not 100% sold on it back then. When did all these change for you? When did you start seeing DT880 as a "damn close to the perfect headphone" for you? |
Originally Posted by fjf The same here. Well, I tried to lower some dB in foobar's equalizer around 10KHz, and I don't like it. Violins sound muddy. I guess I got used to the bright trebble!. Without it they are less fun. |
Originally Posted by Steve999 Here's my theory, a way to look at it: If you look at Senn phones, or really any over-the-ear headphones, they have the same kind of big rise at around 9,000 hertz due to the ear/headphone interaction. Sennhesier and AKG generally choose to keep things flat around 9,000 hertz (even taking into account the big rise there), which results in a sizeable dip (which depending on the exact response pattern could result in "the veil") somewhere between 5,000 and 9,000 hertz. Beyer (with the exception of the DT250) keeps it flatter (no dip) from 5,000 to 9,000 hertz, resulting in the audible spike at 9,000 hertz. The rise at around 9,000 hertz has to do with a 1/2 wavelngth "modal resonance" between the ear and headphone (no I don't know what that means -- it's just what my friend who did the measurements called it) and as I see it those are the two approaches to get around it -- either a dip before the 9,000 hertz spike so you're flat around 9,000 hertz, or get a more lively transducer that's flat up to 9,000 hertz, but then you get the spike at 9,000 hertz. |
Originally Posted by konstantinos Hey there Steve! I really enjoy reading your observations regarding the DT880s. However, considering I'm a bit dumb, would you mind explaining the quoted paragraph (and the one beneath it) some more? I think I know what you're trying to say, but something in the writing there confuses me! By the way, for future reference: DT 880 graph: SR 225 graph: PS: Didn't Headroom (before the redesign) used to give much larger versions of the graph? Any idea where we can find them? |
Originally Posted by Steve999 But as you can plainly see from the headroom graphs, both the SR225s and the DT880s are "spike" phones (spike at 9000 hertz). AKGs and Senns tend to be "dip" phones, if you check headroom (a dip somewhere between 5,000 and 9,000 hertz). AKGs and Senns also are known to use "diffuse field" equalization, which I have a feeling has to tie into the dip somehow. Diffuse field EQ is supposed to help the highs sound flat despite the ears' interactions with the headphones, which tends to accentuate the highs. In my view, due to the complexities of interactions with the ears, the state of the art in headphone design hasn't accomplished smooth-sounding treble like you would get from a reasonably good speaker. |
Originally Posted by Steve999 The DT880 graph looks a lot prettier than the SR225 graph, doesn't it. Check out the DT880 silky smoothness from low bass straight through the mids and the phenomenal bass extension. Awesome. At a minimum to make a fully informed purchase people should just know that the DT880s are moderately brighter than neutral in the treble, IMHO. The headroom written description of the DT880s is quite good, I think (and I'm not the biggest fan of headroom). |
Originally Posted by Steve999 The DT880 graph looks a lot prettier than the SR225 graph, doesn't it. Check out the DT880 silky smoothness from low bass straight through the mids and the phenomenal bass extension. Awesome. At a minimum to make a fully informed purchase people should just know that the DT880s are moderately brighter than neutral in the treble, IMHO. The headroom written description of the DT880s is quite good, I think (and I'm not the biggest fan of headroom). |
Originally Posted by konstantinos PS: Didn't Headroom (before the redesign) used to give much larger versions of the graph? Any idea where we can find them? |