May 3, 2025 at 1:04 PM Post #69,886 of 69,896
Beoplay where a but uninspiring ... Ir flat, Not excelling in anything
.b&o house sound might not be my taste .
Aviot te-zx1 are way more refined for some sound aspects ( separation, position, speed )

Pi8 had a more decent bass and decay , they are musical but sound way less precise or less hi-end then Aviot te-zx1..
Nice big stage and timber but less detailed and way less precise .
We like different sound signatures, and I'm not a big bass fan. Despite my snippy comment, maybe the Gemini 2s might work for you. Lots of people like them ( to much base for me) , so just read some reviews. Here is a vibe map that might help you figure out what might work for you.


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May 3, 2025 at 1:08 PM Post #69,887 of 69,896
**I think they left just as Phonak did (Audeo)** & Starkey. (All hearing aid companies)

"Difficult space to be in"

A) a lot of the brands that are essentially unheard of are actually the manufacturers participating in the market. They are typically low cost products & have a poor performance record. (Think "Night Market" table sales)

B) another difficulty, the fact new chipsets are released every 6 months or so, making the need to move product as fast as possible, before it becomes obsolete (think bread sales)

C) batteries have a shelf life = better sell the tws as quick as possible to insure the batteries are at their peak performance

To mitigate point B & C, a company has to sell as fast as possible, which usually means operating at low margins. I often say TWS is a game of inches, not miles.

"Entrance must be low" - I guess that really depends what the definition of "low is." It may be low to Harman International, but very high to a small boutique audio company. Considering a common minimum order requirement is 5,000 sets, for me, the cost of entrance is daunting for a company like Noble.

"Jabra" exiting:

These comments are strictly an opinion.
Jabra is owned by GnResound, a huge hearing aid company. The hearing aid industry is not a game of inches & miles. My guess is Gn decided to use their resources in areas they have a proven success rate and in some sense a captured market. (Basically decided to use their capital in a more effective manner)

I doubt they left because they couldn't compete. While I have never owned or heard a Jabra, their build quality appeared to be top drawer & they certainly didn't lack for experience or team expertise. **I think they left just as Phonak did (Audeo)** & Starkey. (All hearing aid companies) They dipped their toes in & decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and would rather operate in proven markets.

That's just my guess

And again, I apologize for the long winded post
Hi John, I didn't know Phonak (owned by Sonova) had dipped their toes into the TWS market? Is there anyplace I can read about that?
 
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May 3, 2025 at 1:16 PM Post #69,888 of 69,896
Pi8s are on sale for 318 on Amazon. I bought mine at BB for full retail, so I went to BB today and they are going to refund the difference. Now I like them even more.
My only issue with the Pi8 so far is it keeps switching off of Truesound on its own. I prefer the TrueSound signature and wish it would stay. Anyone else have that issue?
 
May 3, 2025 at 3:48 PM Post #69,891 of 69,896
Good question...the list you have tried is fairly comprehensive. Maybe the AZ100? I do feel you need other tips than the stock tips to get the best from them. Looking for better sq than the Aviot. I think the Rex5 is better sq wise but there are caveats. B&O would have been the first suggestion.
AZ100 don't work in the gym for me anyway, they just feel too 'stuffy', although the transparency is excellent.
I use Nothing Ear 2024, don't need totl audio while exercising personally, just something that stays put throughout and has decent enough audio . Run in them, done plyometrics, calisthenics, compound exercises, stays put and doesn't budge. All checkboxes ticked for me and if I lose them, no big deal, cheap enough to replace.

I would think the new Sony 1000XM6 will be out in the next couple of months, and tariffs on electronics from China are 20%, so you think Sony's price will be higher. I'm thinking $339
I expect them to be priced the same in the UK as their predecessor (£259) in order to compete with the AZ100 (also £259). They're going to have to pull something special out the bag, as the AZ100 are quite a bit better than the wf-1000xm5 imo.
 
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May 3, 2025 at 6:54 PM Post #69,893 of 69,896
I expect them to be priced the same in the UK as their predecessor (£259) in order to compete with the AZ100 (also £259). They're going to have to pull something special out the bag, as the AZ100 are quite a bit better than the wf-1000xm5 imo.
I find the Sony's pretty weak and think they need to come up with something good. The Technics are much better, but that big brand will drive sales. I was thinking about the pricing. I think they will need to raise prices in the US. Margins are low for both the manufacturers and the retailers for electronics.
 
May 3, 2025 at 7:13 PM Post #69,894 of 69,896
Hi John, I didn't know Phonak (owned by Sonova) had dipped their toes into the TWS market? Is there anyplace I can read about that?
To clarify, they dipped their toes in the portable audio market with a wired product called the Audeo. Oddly enough, Phonak also offered a hearing aid called the Audeo as well.

I never heard the Audeo, but the reviews I read, seemed to be positive.
 
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