Aug 1, 2021 at 1:39 AM Post #35,656 of 70,225
Unfortunately I think my XM4 may be going back to Best Buy. I can't really stand to wear them. I guess my ears are too small for them because the overall bulbous shape of them feels like they are trying to stretch my ears apart. I only got them Tuesday night so I have another week and a couple days to truly decide, but I don't want to end up stuck with a $300 pair of earbuds that I can't stand to actually use. It's a shame because they do sound really good and I like the features.

This part circled in red is what seems to be causing the issue for me. No matter how I twist them or how far or not far I insert them this seems to be causing discomfort.2021-06-08-product-3~2.jpg
Rotating them forward or backward can help this out in some instances, issues here tend to deal less with insertion depth.
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 4:54 AM Post #35,657 of 70,225
Tried running using the Status Between Pro using the original large tips. Lasted less than 2 minutes, returned home and put back on AZ70 tips. The original tips are comfy when sitting but when running they allow the IEM to move to much which is to distracting and annoying.

Which meant I needed new tips for the Galaxy Buds Pro since that was tips used successfully on that TWS. So grabbed the brand new Sony hybrids tips I had been using on the 1000XM3 and washed them with rubbing alcohol followed by hydrogen peroxide, followed by hot water to remove all oil and have put them on the Galaxy Bud Pros, my hope is that if they have no oil on them they won't slip off like they wanted to do the first time I tried them. I like how they reign in the treble just a smidge.

So I am just going to say it. For me, the Status Between Pro has the best 3D imaging of any TWS I have tried. Better than the 1000XM3, AZ70, Galaxy Buds Pro, Sennheiser original MTW. They are about 80% of the XBA-Z5 with none of its tonal short comings.

I was cooking away this morning and a song from Conan the Barbarian, Orphans of Doom / The Awakening started playing and the Between Pro was simply amazing. These really do handle classical music well.
Just received the Between Pro’s and gave them a quick listen. For me, they have a better fit then the Melomania Touch and sound at least as good, also considering I didn’t tweak or adjust anything yet. Very happy! Eager to try the Azla tips on them, but for now, without them, they sound wonderful.
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 7:18 AM Post #35,659 of 70,225
They have oval nozzles? I actually have some of those APP foam tips (did not like 'em on the APP), and my Xm4 are supposed to arrive in a few days, fingers crossed

No, the XM4 are Sony's normal sized IEM nozzle (t200 size iirc).

What I do is I take the foam tips off the APP adapters as they are actually round.

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Small size tips:
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Aug 1, 2021 at 7:37 AM Post #35,660 of 70,225
Rotating them forward or backward can help this out in some instances, issues here tend to deal less with insertion depth.
Yea, I've tried rotating and that only helps for a few minutes. They are just putting too much pressure on the lower part of my ears
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15 AM Post #35,663 of 70,225
I finally got my hands on a pair of open-box Sony WF-XM4's for $200 and I've just been listening to them for 2 hours or so now and I actually really like them. Wish I just got these instead of the MTW2's right away.

The EQ actually works really well and after taming the bass a tad and trying my best to up the both the treble and the mids by a whole lot I feel like they sound very good. The bass is still a tad too boom-y as it is right now but I kinda like the warmth it's providing too. Will keep trying to find the perfect EQ for me but as a starting point this sounds pretty good and might sound even better
These sound so much better to my ears than the Sennheiser MTW2s, even straight out of the box the experience is night and day, but I think it's a matter of fit too.
ANC is very good with the stock tips which isn't a surprise really, but it also didn't blow me away either. It does the job very well though. Kinda feel like I would want a size XL eartip for my right ear.

As for the negatives? I am missing a bit of clarity in the upper regions and the vocals tend to sound a little boxed in and muted, but I think this is due to the stock tips.
But I also notice that the DSEE Extreme mode is a culprit in that situation, turning it off makes the sound less "full", but it also feels to me like the upper mids and lower treble is a bit sharper (in a good way). I also feel like it's very difficult hearing the reverb on certain songs where some other earbuds I have probably would be way more revealing.

Another negative for me is that even though I feel like they're honestly pretty comfortable in my ears for the MOST part, I can tell that they would ideally go a bit deeper in my ear canal, because if i try to rotate them slightly forward/upward in my ears I can tell that it sounds a lot better in the treble region, but it also hurts like effing crazy trying to do this.
I think it hurts more than it should too because of the Earfun Free Pro OEs honestly wrecking my ears a bit, despite being very small I keep wanting a deeper fit than they were probably meant to do, or at least deeper than it fits my ears.

Also missing a bit of headroom to be honest. I will listen to these on the highest or second-to-highest volume when my other earbuds I'm more like 65-75% of the volume. But it's only a minor gripe, it's definitely good enough, especially with the noise cancellation being as good as it is.
Also, I got the silver color and I actually think it's okay even though I would've preferred a more cream-white/beige color sort of like the Edifier TWS1 Pro. But the way it gets discolored is NO JOKE. Took it out of my jeans pocket now and already after two hours I saw some discoloration. I was able to clean most of it off, but it's definitely more than what I would consider just being "dirty".

I think these sound very good, and they're a pretty substantial improvement over the XM3's in my opinion as a whole package, but mostly because the XM3's really weren't my cup of tea. I think these are probably the best "all-rounder" earbud right now, even if there might be a few that sounds a bit better and has a bit more clarity and a slightly tighter bass response etc. The case is reasonably sized, they don't stick out too much in the ears and they stay in place a whole lot better than the XM3's and yeah. I like them so far anyway.
 
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Aug 1, 2021 at 11:44 AM Post #35,664 of 70,225
I had that issue to and now that I've worn them so many times there is no more pain.

I'm not taking them back quite yet. I'll spend a few more days trying.
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 11:45 AM Post #35,665 of 70,225
I finally got my hands on a pair of open-box Sony WF-XM4's for $200 and I've just been listening to them for 2 hours or so now and I actually really like them. Wish I just got these instead of the MTW2's right away.

The EQ actually works really well and after taming the bass a tad and trying my best to up the both the treble and the mids by a whole lot I feel like they sound very good. The bass is still a tad too boom-y as it is right now but I kinda like the warmth it's providing too. Will keep trying to find the perfect EQ for me but as a starting point this sounds pretty good and might sound even better
These sound so much better to my ears than the Sennheiser MTW2s, even straight out of the box the experience is night and day, but I think it's a matter of fit too.
ANC is very good with the stock tips which isn't a surprise really, but it also didn't blow me away either. It does the job very well though. Kinda feel like I would want a size XL eartip for my right ear.

As for the negatives? I am missing a bit of clarity in the upper regions and the vocals tend to sound a little boxed in and muted, but I think this is due to the stock tips.
But I also notice that the DSEE Extreme mode is a culprit in that situation, turning it off makes the sound less "full", but it also feels to me like the upper mids and lower treble is a bit sharper (in a good way). I also feel like it's very difficult hearing the reverb on certain songs where some other earbuds I have probably would be way more revealing.

Another negative for me is that even though I feel like they're honestly pretty comfortable in my ears for the MOST part, I can tell that they would ideally go a bit deeper in my ear canal, because if i try to rotate them slightly forward/upward in my ears I can tell that it sounds a lot better in the treble region, but it also hurts like effing crazy trying to do this.
I think it hurts more than it should too because of the Earfun Free Pro OEs honestly wrecking my ears a bit, despite being very small I keep wanting a deeper fit than they were probably meant to do, or at least deeper than it fits my ears.

Also missing a bit of headroom to be honest. I will listen to these on the highest or second-to-highest volume when my other earbuds I'm more like 65-75% of the volume. But it's only a minor gripe, it's definitely good enough, especially with the noise cancellation being as good as it is.
Also, I got the silver color and I actually think it's okay even though I would've preferred a more cream-white/beige color sort of like the Edifier TWS1 Pro. But the way it gets discolored is NO JOKE. Took it out of my jeans pocket now and already after two hours I saw some discoloration. I was able to clean most of it off, but it's definitely more than what I would consider just being "dirty".

I think these sound very good, and they're a pretty substantial improvement over the XM3's in my opinion as a whole package, but mostly because the XM3's really weren't my cup of tea. I think these are probably the best "all-rounder" earbud right now, even if there might be a few that sounds a bit better and has a bit more clarity and a slightly tighter bass response etc. The case is reasonably sized, they don't stick out too much in the ears and they stay in place a whole lot better than the XM3's and yeah. I like them so far anyway.

I didn't read the entire post, it's kind of long, but try some silicone tips.
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 1:26 PM Post #35,666 of 70,225
Just received the Between Pro’s and gave them a quick listen. For me, they have a better fit then the Melomania Touch and sound at least as good, also considering I didn’t tweak or adjust anything yet. Very happy! Eager to try the Azla tips on them, but for now, without them, they sound wonderful.
The AZ70 tips I am using is a wide mouth tip similar to the spiral dot tip. This works well for me but I have big lug holes for ear canals. It does make them a bit harder to ensure they are seated properly in the charging can though I have had 2 instances where they did not turn off properly.
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Aug 1, 2021 at 2:12 PM Post #35,667 of 70,225
I had that issue to and now that I've worn them so many times there is no more pain.
I had a similar issue with the Audeze Euclid. Though that normally took at least an hour to get to the pain part. A mix of adjusting them and getting used to it has gotten rid of the pain though.
 
Aug 1, 2021 at 2:18 PM Post #35,668 of 70,225
Darn Between Pro just stole the BT connection from the Galaxy Buds Pro even though they are in the case. Might have to see if I can find a slightly softer tip. the way they lie in the case makes them sensitive to a wider big tip, I suspect foams tips might never work properly in the case.

So a knock on the Between Pro added to the tricky removal of the IEM from the case. I also find the lid feels a bit flimsy when opening kind of just flings open.

For hard guitar driven rock I find the GBuds Pro have more guitar energy than the Status Between Pro so I tend to like the GBuds Pro a bit better. The Between Pro is also good but just a bit warmer making them a bit relaxed sounding. Nothing as egregious as the 1000XM3 which is way to warm and relaxed for this type of music but they are a step back from the GBuds Pro for that type of music.

Edit: have to inject a note here. The difference for hard rock and bands like Kansas is pretty stark. I switched to the Between Pro while listening to 2 Kansas albums and the GBuds sound vastly superior for every song. This may be due to the instruments or the way these albums are produced but they just don't sound right unless they have a neutral signature, adding warmth just takes the energy out of the music. So if this type of music is what you listen to the most the GBuds Pro are a much better match.

From a music perspective alone the GBuds are the better all round performer if you prefer a closer to neutral signature that has no coloration in the midrange. the Status Between Pro is the better all rounder if you prefer a bigger bass presence and a slightly warmer midrange. The difference in signatures also affects the imaging and sound stage giving the edge in that area to the Status Between Pro.

I honestly have a hard time saying which I prefer more as I find both extremely good and affected by my mood, song choices, and environment. I tend to reach for the Between when listening to Jazz and classical anything, and the GBuds Pro when listening to hard rock.

Both TWS are comfy for me when I have the right tips attached and as is often the case with IEMs I find myself unsatisfied with the stock tips with both models.
 
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Aug 1, 2021 at 5:08 PM Post #35,669 of 70,225
Tried running using the Status Between Pro using the original large tips. Lasted less than 2 minutes, returned home and put back on AZ70 tips. The original tips are comfy when sitting but when running they allow the IEM to move to much which is to distracting and annoying.

Which meant I needed new tips for the Galaxy Buds Pro since that was tips used successfully on that TWS. So grabbed the brand new Sony hybrids tips I had been using on the 1000XM3 and washed them with rubbing alcohol followed by hydrogen peroxide, followed by hot water to remove all oil and have put them on the Galaxy Bud Pros, my hope is that if they have no oil on them they won't slip off like they wanted to do the first time I tried them. I like how they reign in the treble just a smidge.

So I am just going to say it. For me, the Status Between Pro has the best 3D imaging of any TWS I have tried. Better than the 1000XM3, AZ70, Galaxy Buds Pro, Sennheiser original MTW. They are about 80% of the XBA-Z5 with none of its tonal short comings.

I was cooking away this morning and a song from Conan the Barbarian, Orphans of Doom / The Awakening started playing and the Between Pro was simply amazing. These really do handle classical music well.
Need to give mine some more ear time. I haven't been using BT in-ears much lately (due to less walking alone for exercise, my wife and I doing more of that together since our 14-year-old Brittany spaniel, Lily, passed a couple of weeks back. :disappointed:. ). But I also want to try some other tips, I have so many on hand. But I agree in that they are best used at home, not bouncing around. Time for a listening session right now. And I also agree, they respond best with acoustic/classical/jazz as the genres.
 
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Aug 1, 2021 at 5:14 PM Post #35,670 of 70,225
Hmm @PeteSTRADAMUS I think you were onto something with the XELASTEC on those Falcon Pro...

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Might have even been able to benefit from going with the Small over the MS, but this is one no-kidding confident fit. I thought the EPro were grippy, but man...this is on a whole other level. Have to imagine you're not having any slipping issues with these tips.

Also seems to pull some of that extra lower bass out of the equation, making the overall FR much more balanced to my ears. Win-win.
 

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