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Geek Pulse: Geek desktop DAC/AMP by Light Harmonics
May 29, 2018 at 3:53 PM Post #13,066 of 13,800
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I was organizing some A/V files and folders and found this from 2014 era...
 
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May 29, 2018 at 4:37 PM Post #13,067 of 13,800
Schiiiit, has it been 4 years since then? What was Einstein's quote about expecting a different result? LhLabs, when will the pulse units ship?
 
May 29, 2018 at 5:09 PM Post #13,068 of 13,800
Jun 4, 2018 at 9:09 AM Post #13,069 of 13,800
stuck limo said:
So let's address this and put this to bed:

1. Sales to dealers are different than IGG. They have different items, different channels of payments. IGG merchandise does NOT go to dealers. The only two that shipped at the same time were Vi Dac SS (which most or all should have already received) and the Pulse DACs. Some dealers were also IGG backers, we have some special new dealer's perk in the campaign, and we stated that before.

2. We never stated to anyone, anywhere, that all backers would receive all merchandise before dealers. That's not how the audio business runs. We lost loads of money on IGG merchandise, so we have to make it up elsewhere. This has been discussed before. We won't stop shipping to backers just because some dealer thinks Indiegogo backers got too good of a price. Also we won't stop dealers to sell our products. Pulse totally got to dealers plus Amazon less than 30. And we totally ship 2000+ Pulse DAC to backers. See the ratio?

3. The IGG Source is different than the retail version of Source, the retail version is "Source Pro" which is being sold through retailers. The retailers DO NOT WANT IGG merchandise, they want to separate too. They want their own, special, unique version.For example, one of dealers request the 256G SSD capacity with NO HDMI output and get rid of all the special jitter removal stuff. And they plan to sell dedicatedly. They want absolutely nothing to do with the IGG market. Frankly, we got lots of complaints from dealers that IGG price is conflicting with their channel.

For anyone else who is concerned about dealership sales:

4. Yosemite has 0 Vi Tube. We are sending the incredibly vast majority of Vi Tube to backers. Maybe a few to a few dealers. We need to stay in business. We're losing money on IGG. We will continue to operate as a business so we can continue to bring in funds to build IGG gear so our backers can receive their merchandise. At no point did we state we would never ship or sell to anyone but backers. To anyone who was confused or not understanding how this company/business stays afloat and pays our bills, we apologize for the confusion. We will not apologize for staying in business to bring backers the gear they expect. It takes time, research, money, and resources. We are working incredibly hard on getting you what you paid for. We are thankful for the support of our backers who appreciate our products and the extra perks they received.


If anyone can buy, for example, the Indiegogo Source from any place in the world, including Yosemite in the same price he got from IGG, in the same form he got, we'll eat our $#*t. Otherwise, please stop misinformation and inflammatory postings.


On that note, LH as a company is considering taking a sabbatical from the forum. Unfortunately, generally speaking, there are about 5 people who cause all sorts of inflammatory postings and issues (like tonight) and it's becoming incredibly difficult to even try to conduct normal Q&A or commenting or discussion here. To be clear, it's definitely not because of normal questions over how we conduct business or regular questions over the campaign. It's the inflammatory, bullying, rude, over the top, conspiracy theory type postings that choke and stranglehold all manner of reasonable discussion.

My advice to the community who are NOT these 5 members (and you know who you are and who you are not): police your fellow members better. I don't mean Mods censoring discussion or criticism. I do mean the community who would like to engage in friendly, reasonable, non-over the top dialogue (including criticism) needs to shut down the unruly members who ruin the experience for everyone else.

On that note, I am fully aware of how these things happen, and why they happen due to our business practices, and I am aware of our shortcomings as a company. I've discussed these with Larry tonight in-depth, and I hope we can make a hard positive change. We certainly are not blameless in this situation and we accept that responsibility. I hope we can do better.

Anyway, I'm sure we'll be back at some point. In the meantime, we invite you to visit our Freshdesk forum, and keep watching our IGG updates. I am always around, and those who know me personally or who have dealt with me privately know how to get in touch with me if need be.

Thank you, and we really do appreciate everyone who supports us. :)
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Larry Ho copying Ken Ball's design and market the product, after he/Jarek publicly said that they would not:
https://passport.weibo.com/visitor/...p-sso_sdk_client-0.6.28&_rand=1528073613.7894
 
Jun 4, 2018 at 10:24 AM Post #13,070 of 13,800
hola said:
Larry Ho copying Ken Ball's design and market the product, after he/Jarek publicly said that they would not:
https://passport.weibo.com/visitor/...p-sso_sdk_client-0.6.28&_rand=1528073613.7894
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The Campfire IEM and the LH Stella IEM are completely different products. The IEM you're linking to has been in development since 2016 and is an LH design, not a Campfire design. The Campfire IEM was a collaboration, meant to introduce the market to the idea of LH IEMs. Stella is a different design, made by Light Harmonic.

It is a Light Harmonic product, which is the flagship division, responsible for the Da Vinci DAC, Tesla amps and speakers, etc. The LH Labs is a crowd-funded division.

If you have proof that the designs are the same IP (instead of just confused speculation), please post exact information.
 
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Jun 5, 2018 at 2:20 PM Post #13,072 of 13,800
Shawnb said:
First review of the Source is up, though it's a model none of us even knew about. The Source Pro, the retail model was reviewed
http://v2.stereotimes.com/post/light-harmonics-source-pro/

It's better if I don't comment at all....
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Thanks for posting.
It think the review is factually inaccurate:

"This is the very campaign that was of much unhappiness and allegations of late delivery in LH Labs over the 2 years."
More than 2 years

"It is out of my scope here to examine these issues in detail, but suffice it to say that I am reliably informed LH Labs is bending over backwards to deliver the Geek Source to its backers as promised, also Light Harmonic as a separated company is continuing contribute more monetary resource to make the delivery process faster."
1) Producing a new product while initial backers wait is not prioritizing backers
2) If an owner makes multiple corporations (similarly named or not), that doesn't give him or her complete legal protection


Mike
 
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Jun 5, 2018 at 8:40 PM Post #13,073 of 13,800
stuck limo said:
The Campfire IEM and the LH Stella IEM are completely different products. The IEM you're linking to has been in development since 2016 and is an LH design, not a Campfire design. The Campfire IEM was a collaboration, meant to introduce the market to the idea of LH IEMs. Stella is a different design, made by Light Harmonic.

It is a Light Harmonic product, which is the flagship division, responsible for the Da Vinci DAC, Tesla amps and speakers, etc. The LH Labs is a crowd-funded division.

If you have proof that the designs are the same IP (instead of just confused speculation), please post exact information.
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Of course they are. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't design cues or things learnt from working with Campfire Audio that might have been tweaked and put into this Light Harmonic IEM.

I like the effort to push the Light Harmonic name now instead of LH Labs "division" due to all the negativity surrounding LH Labs.
 
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Jun 5, 2018 at 10:49 PM Post #13,074 of 13,800
Anyone else notice that photos are all stock photos. Well I know at least 2 of the 3 definitely are recycled photos from months if not a year+ back. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it is interesting...
 
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