Focal Utopia General Discussion
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:03 AM Post #20,161 of 20,611
If I had a budget of 4.5k, I would get a used GSX mini ($1k), NewOntech dac 07 ($2.5k) and used Aurender N100 ($1.5k) (I have not heard this but have heard more expensive Aurender units). If you must stick to the budget get Sonic Frontier SFD-2 ($2k).
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:08 AM Post #20,162 of 20,611
If I had a budget of 4.5k, I would get a used GSX mini ($1k), NewOntech dac 07 ($2.5k) and used Aurender N100 ($1.5k) (I have not heard this but have heard more expensive Aurender units). If you must stick to the budget get Sonic Frontier SFD-2 ($2k).
That all sounds really cool — thank you for the recs. I'm just curious — is there an all-in-one DAC/Amp that would do the job well? Preferably with a front-facing XLR balanced output since I already sunk money in an XLR → Lemo Lavricable lol.

I have limited desk space and just want to have a clean solution for daily use
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:09 AM Post #20,163 of 20,611
That all sounds really cool — thank you for the recs. I'm just curious — is there an all-in-one DAC/Amp that would do the job well? Preferably with a front-facing XLR balanced output since I already sunk money in an XLR → Lemo Lavricable lol.

I have limited desk space and just want to have a clean solution for daily use
No AIO can compete with separates, including Bartok and Dave.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:13 AM Post #20,164 of 20,611
Okay, this is not very good advice from cost/performance perspective but Lina stack would work very well in your case (not even close to worth the asking price but the sound is decent, especially the dac and clock portion).
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:16 AM Post #20,165 of 20,611
Okay, this is not very good advice from cost/performance perspective but Lina stack would work very well in your case (not even close to worth the asking price but the sound is decent, especially the dac and clock portion).
I love the aesthetics of the Lina stack! If I had $30K lying around I'd definitely get it, lol
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:20 AM Post #20,166 of 20,611
I love the aesthetics of the Lina stack! If I had $30K lying around I'd definitely get it, lol
Weiss 501 + GSX mini would work as well. Use Ethernet input. Only slightly over your budget :relieved:
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:29 AM Post #20,167 of 20,611
That all sounds really cool — thank you for the recs. I'm just curious — is there an all-in-one DAC/Amp that would do the job well? Preferably with a front-facing XLR balanced output since I already sunk money in an XLR → Lemo Lavricable lol.

I have limited desk space and just want to have a clean solution for daily use
What about the NAIM Uniti HE? I tried it with the OG Utopia and it was stellar. It’s tuned to have synergy with Focal. The footprint is small, and it does everything well. Had I been starting out, I would have bought it, but I already had a good DAC and just needed a better HP amp.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:34 AM Post #20,168 of 20,611
IMO Naim and Focal products should never be paired together, not for their speaker rig and not for cans. It's digital sounding, too fatiguing after long session, too much ear candies and lack musicality.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 1:54 AM Post #20,169 of 20,611
I found a used Bartok for 50% off. Still double my budget but it's 1/3 the price of a Lina stack. Thoughts?
Would it really sound 2x better than a Chord TT2? My Mojo 2 sounds fantastic, but I haven't heard much better yet.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:12 AM Post #20,170 of 20,611
What about the NAIM Uniti HE? I tried it with the OG Utopia and it was stellar. It’s tuned to have synergy with Focal. The footprint is small, and it does everything well. Had I been starting out, I would have bought it, but I already had a good DAC and just needed a better HP amp.

Agreed. Uniti HE excellent AIO. Great synergy with Focal cans.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:21 AM Post #20,171 of 20,611
Agreed. Uniti HE excellent AIO. Great synergy with Focal cans.
I just don't like the lack of XLR and the fact that the entire "streamer" functionality will be completely useless to me — I felt like I'd be paying for something I will never use, and I'd rather invest that into better pure audio.

Is the Uniti HE really that much better than the Focal Arche?
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:24 AM Post #20,172 of 20,611
I found a used Bartok for 50% off. Still double my budget but it's 1/3 the price of a Lina stack. Thoughts?
Would it really sound 2x better than a Chord TT2? My Mojo 2 sounds fantastic, but I haven't heard much better yet.

If you like the Mojo2, the TT seems a logical upgrade. It's unlikely the Bartok is worth 2x your budget. At this level, you're chasing 5-10% improvements.

I've heard mixed reviews of the Lina stack. If you're dropping that kind of money, a demo is imperative. Same with the Bartok.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:30 AM Post #20,173 of 20,611
If you like the Mojo2, the TT seems a logical upgrade. It's unlikely the Bartok is worth 2x your budget. At this level, you're chasing 5-10% improvements.

I've heard mixed reviews of the Lina stack. If you're dropping that kind of money, a demo is imperative. Same with the Bartok.
That sounds fair. What I like about the Mojo 2 is that it brings a great amount of detail that the Utopias thrive on. What I don’t like is that it can sound a bit sterile and fatiguing for longer listens.

The Focal Arche is the complete opposite. It sounds warmer and can be heard for hours at a time, but it seems to roll off the detail and mushes the instrument layers together.

I’m chasing a warmer, deeper sound than the Mojo 2 but while keeping the same clarity and detail up top.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:31 AM Post #20,174 of 20,611
I just don't like the lack of XLR and the fact that the entire "streamer" functionality will be completely useless to me — I felt like I'd be paying for something I will never use, and I'd rather invest that into better pure audio.

Is the Uniti HE really that much better than the Focal Arche?

Uniti has XLR but isn't fully balanced. 1.5W into 16ohms will power pretty much every headphone.

I've never heard the Arche. The amp section was designed similar to the Arche though. The Naim also has ability to read external drives. So you get a digital transport/amp/DAC.
 
Jan 27, 2024 at 2:36 AM Post #20,175 of 20,611
That sounds fair. What I like about the Mojo 2 is that it brings a great amount of detail that the Utopias thrive on. What I don’t like is that it can sound a bit sterile and fatiguing for longer listens.

The Focal Arche is the complete opposite. It sounds warmer and can be heard for hours at a time, but it seems to roll off the detail and mushes the instrument layers together.

I’m chasing a warmer, deeper sound than the Mojo 2 but while keeping the same clarity and detail up top.

Well, in my experience, the higher up you go in Chord, the better the detail retrieval. Not sure the TT will give you warmer sound.

Mojo2 as a DAC only into a warmer HP amp a possibility. There's pretty amazing synergy with Feliks tube amps. They tend not to be too tubey and more neutral. The Elise and Mojo2 is a pretty spectacular combo.
 
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