Focal Utopia General Discussion

May 7, 2020 at 2:27 AM Post #11,731 of 21,238
What are these 3 songs? Just want test for myself.

Are You Receiving - Killing Joke, that beginning will cut into your ears.
Chest Fever - The Band, the organ is piercing.
Sprinkle My Ashes - Kris Lager, the beginning (at first, before I experimented) was hard to bear. It's still kind of shrill, but not nearly so much as before.

These are three I noticed we're a tad bit piercing in parts. I must say though that my move to lower the source volume and let the Mojo control more of it tames those noticeably.
 
May 7, 2020 at 3:12 AM Post #11,732 of 21,238
Got Focal Stellia today. I bought an open box pair. Obviously been used and sound burned in. In one of life's minor ironies I paid more for the Stellia than the Utopia. Slight discoloration on the headband (I don't care).

I compared them to the Utopia. I'll let you know which I'm keeping at the end.

Stellia are lighter, but it's the same as calling a feather lighter than a cotton ball, no one was complaining about the cotton ball to begin with.

The Stellia pads are more comfortable. They look the same, except for those perforations, but for some damned reason the Stellia pads just feel better. Love those Stellia pads. I want a pillow made out of the same stuff please.

Why are people complaining about the cable again? Microphonics? Too stiff? The cable is fine. Short though, but that's about the only issue. Better than too long. OK, I'm not dissing anyone, just saying I don't have issues. I mean I have issues, but not with the cable.

I compared for an hour, but that was enough to gain impressions I feel comfortable stating as my actual feelings.

Bass: The Utopia is firm, lovely, and with a roundness to the bass notes like no other headphone. It sits in the mix where it belongs and doesn't get up from its seat and stomp on anyone else's feet.

Bass: The Stellia is more, but it's like a balloon, as it grows the details get stretched out and less legible. There's more surface area. All the detail remains, it's spread out over a larger surface.

There's a smidge more detail with the Utopia, but what you get in compensation with the Stellia is more, and more "snap" and "slam." I like that on some songs, on others it's never there to begin with. The Stellia doesn't have too much, and the Utopia doesn't have too little. One is Rocky Road and the other is Dulce De Leche.

Mids: Both are really, really good. It's the mids where I have the most difficultly telling a difference. If you put a gun to my head and told me to contrast something I'd kick you in the kneecaps, and then I'd say the Stellia feels a bit more "present" and "forward," but only just. If you stripped away the treble and bass and had me listen to them blind, I'd be choosing at random. Give me a week or two and I'll be able to tell them apart though. Maybe. Probably. We'll see.

Treble: I've read a lot of reviews that say the treble is smoother and more laid back on the Stellia. Not hearing that myself. It's different, for sure, but I'm having a tough time figuring out how to translate what my brain is hearing into English words that convey the experience. Here's what I can say with confidence: The detail is there in both and I feel it's the same and yet not. It depends on the song(s). I hear more detail on the Stellia with Pink Floyd, but I hear more on the Utopia with female vocals, as an example. What is more consistent is this sense of space and air around instruments and voices on the Utopia where with the Stellia they feel flatter. It's like the Stellia is a room with walls within twenty feet, whereas the Utopia you're out in the open sitting amidst the daisies.

On the Utopia a plucked guitar string has feeling, texture. You feel like it's being plucked right in front of you and you can feel the resistance of the fingers in the note. On the Stellia it's still very well defined, but it doesn't have that same amazing texture you get with the Utopia. Put another way: on cheaper headphones the texture is a piece of 20lb copy paper. On the Stellia it's 100 grit sand paper. On the Utopia it's 80 grit (you feel the grit, but you feel the grooves between the grit even more), and with a little something extra that the open back design lends the music.

For home listening the Utopia is up there with what, maybe five or six others?
For mobile listening I'm going to say the Stellia may be out in the lead all by itself.

The Utopia is not better than the Stellia. That's too much like calling a horse better than a burro. You have to qualify the remark:

For listening at home on your rig, the Utopia is king between the two.

For listening on a plane or Starbucks, you're going to enjoy the Stellia more.

Summary:

Bass: quantity and impact (Stellia) verses musicality (Utopia)
Mids: draw
Treble: Utopia comes out on top most of the time

I don't usually talk about staging but here goes. They're headphones not speakers. They're on your head, the stage is always going to be intimate. I'll be honest and say I cannot tell the difference between these two.

I'm keeping both. I bought them used and got both for less than Utopia costs new. I've had great luck over the years buying headphones used. I've never bought a new pair in my life.
 
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May 7, 2020 at 3:20 AM Post #11,733 of 21,238
and then they wonder why few women are into audio/headfi
 
May 7, 2020 at 4:17 AM Post #11,734 of 21,238
May 7, 2020 at 4:48 AM Post #11,736 of 21,238
I suppose you are making a sideways judgement on one my choices of analogy. Fine, I'll edit it out.

...

Done. Happy now?
Nice review.
thanks for the comparisons
 
May 7, 2020 at 5:51 AM Post #11,737 of 21,238
Nice review.
thanks for the comparisons

I appreciate the feedback.

They're two really brilliant headphones. We've come so far. I remember lying on the carpet in my crappy place back in 1980 listening to REO Speedwagon through a pair of rented headphones (roommate was a correctional officer who slept during the day, so no speakers). They were the best they had and I could only afford to rent them, and I think all of us here would refuse to assault our ears with the likes of them today. They were tinny and I had to rest my throbbing ears after two songs, and they left a crease on the top of my head.

I showed the Stellias to my wife and she said they looked like "art." Focal obviously has the likes of a Jony Ive designing their products.
 
May 7, 2020 at 6:08 AM Post #11,738 of 21,238
I appreciate the feedback.

They're two really brilliant headphones. We've come so far. I remember lying on the carpet in my crappy place back in 1980 listening to REO Speedwagon through a pair of rented headphones (roommate was a correctional officer who slept during the day, so no speakers). They were the best they had and I could only afford to rent them, and I think all of us here would refuse to assault our ears with the likes of them today. They were tinny and I had to rest my throbbing ears after two songs, and they left a crease on the top of my head.

I showed the Stellias to my wife and she said they looked like "art." Focal obviously has the likes of a Jony Ive designing their products.


Jeremy Clarkson would say: “but it’s brown”, but I agree with you. Not only they sound amazing they look absolutely posh. I’ll never deny looks matter to me and it feels good shelling out that amount of dough when you get the full experience. From packaging to sound.
 
May 7, 2020 at 6:09 AM Post #11,739 of 21,238
One thing I forgot to mention in my comparison.

I wear glasses and I've read that they can affect the bass response in the Stellia headphones. I've played bass-heavy songs with them on and without them and I don't sense a huge difference. I wear Persol's, which if there were ever eyeglasses that would disrupt the seal, these are it. The parts that fit over my ears are heavy and thick. There is a small change though, because if I wear the glasses and press the top of the cups tighter to my head the signature gets slightly bassier.

So, those who sense a change when wearing glasses are correct. How much of a change we're talking about though, in my case, is pretty minimal. Let's call it 5%.
 
May 7, 2020 at 6:11 AM Post #11,740 of 21,238
Jeremy Clarkson would say: “but it’s brown”, but I agree with you. Not only they sound amazing they look absolutely posh. I’ll never deny looks matter to me and it feels good shelling out that amount of dough when you get the full experience. From packaging to sound.

Clarkson doesn't like anything French, except their wines.

I didn't care about the packaging. I kept thinking, "They coulda shaved $100 off the price if they had used recycled cereal boxes instead, the twits."

I've never been one to care about packaging. You could hand them to me in a Safeway shopping back that has suffered from leaky milk and overripe strawberries and I'd be just as happy. People love the pearls despite the fact they come out of an animal that looks like a moldy rock.
 
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May 7, 2020 at 8:15 AM Post #11,741 of 21,238
Clarkson doesn't like anything French, except their wines.

I didn't care about the packaging. I kept thinking, "They coulda shaved $100 off the price if they had used recycled cereal boxes instead, the twits."

I've never been one to care about packaging. You could hand them to me in a Safeway shopping back that has suffered from leaky milk and overripe strawberries and I'd be just as happy. People love the pearls despite the fact they come out of an animal that looks like a moldy rock.

i miss the original top gear =(
 
May 7, 2020 at 6:19 PM Post #11,744 of 21,238
Are You Receiving - Killing Joke, that beginning will cut into your ears.
Chest Fever - The Band, the organ is piercing.
Sprinkle My Ashes - Kris Lager, the beginning (at first, before I experimented) was hard to bear. It's still kind of shrill, but not nearly so much as before.

These are three I noticed we're a tad bit piercing in parts. I must say though that my move to lower the source volume and let the Mojo control more of it tames those noticeably.

All 3 tracks sound great on my setup (Chord Dave w/Mscaler) and favorited the Killing Joke album.
 
May 7, 2020 at 10:50 PM Post #11,745 of 21,238
All 3 tracks sound great on my setup (Chord Dave w/Mscaler) and favorited the Killing Joke album.

I had to adjust my upstream components. I'm happy now. I can now listen to those and other songs with piercing instruments without it being harsh. I was introducing problems by having my source volume at 100% (accidentally). I backed if off to 75% and everything got way better.
 

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