Focal Bathys - Wireless ANC Over-Ear Headphone

Oct 25, 2022 at 3:16 PM Post #481 of 1,827
Climbing The Wireless Ladder

I've been using and collecting wireless Bluetooth over ear headphones for several years now. I started with a pair of headphones costing around $100 which were just okay. I've since passed them along to a family member. Then I picked up a pair of the Sony WH1000XM3s and these were, as should be expected, a major step up both in sound quality and noise cancellation. Truly a very nice set of headphones but I was sure that sound quality could be improved.

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When the Drop Panda headphones became available, I picked up a pair. No noise cancellation but a big step up in sound quality compared to the Sony WH1000XM3. I happily lived with the Pandas when noise cancellation was not required, such as while walking outside I live in a relatively quiet suburban area), but when noise cancellation was required, such as when travelling, I used the Sony WH1000XM3.

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Since most of my wireless headphone listening was done when noise cancellation was not needed, I began to look for wireless headphones with better sound quality than the Pandas. I found a used pair of the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless on the Head-Fi classified with a price I just couldn't resist and being a big fan of the Beyerdynamic house sound (I own 7 different Beyerdynamic headphones) I picked them up. The Amiron Wireless are a noticeable step up from the Pandas but like the Pandas these headphones do not have ANC (active noise cancellation).

Just as I did with the Pandas, I happily used the Amiron Wireless during my frequent long walks and the Sony WH1000XM3 when travelling but then I saw that the Focal Bathys were being released. Since I also own three other Focal headphones (Radiance, Clear MG and Elear), all of which I really enjoy, I ordered the Bathys. Upon their arrival I put them through their paces to make such that everything worked and then burned them in for about 50 hours.

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Okay so now you know a bit of my history with wireless headphones so I can get down to the heart of this little review. However, before I do that, I really need to say in no uncertain terms that the USB DAC feature of the Bathys is a game changer. As far as I know no other wireless headphone offers this feature and only one other headphone that I know of, that being the AKG N90Q, has this ability. While the AKGs have a USB DAC mode it is limited to use with a laptop or desktop PC and does not work with any portable device that I own since the AKG N90Q in DAC mode requires too much power. Yes, I also own the AKG N90Q. Granted using the USB DAC mode on the Bathys does require a wired connection but the Bathys work flawlessly with my iPhone 12 when used in the USB DAC mode (iPhone -> Apple lightening to USB-A camera adapter -> USB-A to USB-C cable -> Bathys). The Bathys USB DAC mode also works with an iPad Air and a Fire HD 10 Plus (both with a USB-C outputs). No more worrying about Apple's less than desirable Bluetooth codec or any other Bluetooth codec for that matter. Just plug in the Bathys and stream music in high resolution flac (up to 24bit/192kHz) from the iPhone into the Bathys. Oh and it sounds great!

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And now finally on to the comparisons. Before I began doing the wireless Bluetooth comparisons, I did some quick comparisons using the headphones in "passive" wired mode with an Oppo HA-1 desktop DAC/headphone amp. The Amiron Wireless and the Panda do not need to be powered to be used with a wired connection, in fact the Panda cannot be powered on when used with a wired connection. The Sony can be used with the power off but sound really terrible. Both the Sony and the Bathys were used with the power and ANC on. The wired listening served to confirm what I wrote above, namely that in order of overall sound quality the headphones are the Sony WH1000XM3, the Drop Panda, the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless and the Focal Bathys.

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For the wireless Bluetooth testing I used an iPhone 12 Pro Max and streamed music from Qobuz. All four headphones have iOS apps which feature differing degrees of customization. The Sony uses the "Headphone" app, the Panda uses the third party app "SoundID", the Amiron Wireless uses the "MIY" app and the Bathys use the Focal app. All headphones were used with their respective app also being used. And of course, since the comparisons were done using an iPhone only one Bluetooth codec was used: AAC (Advanced Audio Codec)

Once again, my listening using Bluetooth reconfirmed the overall sound quality of the four headphones, even when used with their respective apps, namely that in order of overall sound quality the headphones are the Sony WH1000XM3, the Drop Panda, the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless and the Focal Bathys.

My listening notes for each headphone via Bluetooth:

Sony WH1000XM3 - somewhat "dark" and boxy or closed in sounding with fairly decent high end and somewhat muddy sounding bass. Okay for travelling and when good noise cancellation is needed.

Drop Panda - less "dark" than the Sony with a very nice high end but a little light in the bass. Fairly open sound for a portable closed back headphone.

Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless - now things are starting to get interesting. More open sounding with very good high end and rich, deep bass. To be fair, the Amiron Wireless are full size, over ear headphones and are more suited to wearing around the house or office and are not really suited for travelling, other than when sitting in a hotel room.

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Focal Bathys - like the Amiron Wireless the Bathys are major step up from the Sony WH1000XM3 and the Drop Panda, with crisp high end, great bass and a nice, balanced sound. Unlike the Amiron Wireless the Bathys are true portable headphones with slightly smaller ear cups but with over 95% of the sound of a full size, over ear headphone.

For me the Focal Bathys is the clear winner among these four wireless headphones with the best overall sound and the best feature set, especially the USB DAC mode. While the need to have the Bathys powered on when used in passive wired mode with a desktop headphone amp may seem inconvenient, the noise cancellation is active and comes in handy in many situations. Due to the wonderful and unique (at this time) USB DAC mode and the full size headphone sound I would say that despite their relatively high price the Bathys are actually a bargain since all one now needs to listen to high resolution music on headphones is a compatible mobile device, the correct cables and adapters, a music streaming subscription and of course, the Focal Bathys.
Climbing The Wireless Ladder

I've been using and collecting wireless Bluetooth over ear headphones for several years now. I started with a pair of headphones costing around $100 which were just okay. I've since passed them along to a family member. Then I picked up a pair of the Sony WH1000XM3s and these were, as should be expected, a major step up both in sound quality and noise cancellation. Truly a very nice set of headphones but I was sure that sound quality could be improved.

Sony case.jpg


When the Drop Panda headphones became available, I picked up a pair. No noise cancellation but a big step up in sound quality compared to the Sony WH1000XM3. I happily lived with the Pandas when noise cancellation was not required, such as while walking outside I live in a relatively quiet suburban area), but when noise cancellation was required, such as when travelling, I used the Sony WH1000XM3.

panda case.jpg

Since most of my wireless headphone listening was done when noise cancellation was not needed, I began to look for wireless headphones with better sound quality than the Pandas. I found a used pair of the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless on the Head-Fi classified with a price I just couldn't resist and being a big fan of the Beyerdynamic house sound (I own 7 different Beyerdynamic headphones) I picked them up. The Amiron Wireless are a noticeable step up from the Pandas but like the Pandas these headphones do not have ANC (active noise cancellation).

Just as I did with the Pandas, I happily used the Amiron Wireless during my frequent long walks and the Sony WH1000XM3 when travelling but then I saw that the Focal Bathys were being released. Since I also own three other Focal headphones (Radiance, Clear MG and Elear), all of which I really enjoy, I ordered the Bathys. Upon their arrival I put them through their paces to make such that everything worked and then burned them in for about 50 hours.

bathys case.jpg

Okay so now you know a bit of my history with wireless headphones so I can get down to the heart of this little review. However, before I do that, I really need to say in no uncertain terms that the USB DAC feature of the Bathys is a game changer. As far as I know no other wireless headphone offers this feature and only one other headphone that I know of, that being the AKG N90Q, has this ability. While the AKGs have a USB DAC mode it is limited to use with a laptop or desktop PC and does not work with any portable device that I own since the AKG N90Q in DAC mode requires too much power. Yes, I also own the AKG N90Q. Granted using the USB DAC mode on the Bathys does require a wired connection but the Bathys work flawlessly with my iPhone 12 when used in the USB DAC mode (iPhone -> Apple lightening to USB-A camera adapter -> USB-A to USB-C cable -> Bathys). The Bathys USB DAC mode also works with an iPad Air and a Fire HD 10 Plus (both with a USB-C outputs). No more worrying about Apple's less than desirable Bluetooth codec or any other Bluetooth codec for that matter. Just plug in the Bathys and stream music in high resolution flac (up to 24bit/192kHz) from the iPhone into the Bathys. Oh and it sounds great!

IMG_8328.jpg

And now finally on to the comparisons. Before I began doing the wireless Bluetooth comparisons, I did some quick comparisons using the headphones in "passive" wired mode with an Oppo HA-1 desktop DAC/headphone amp. The Amiron Wireless and the Panda do not need to be powered to be used with a wired connection, in fact the Panda cannot be powered on when used with a wired connection. The Sony can be used with the power off but sound really terrible. Both the Sony and the Bathys were used with the power and ANC on. The wired listening served to confirm what I wrote above, namely that in order of overall sound quality the headphones are the Sony WH1000XM3, the Drop Panda, the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless and the Focal Bathys.

side by side.jpg
open cases.jpg
closed cases.jpg
For the wireless Bluetooth testing I used an iPhone 12 Pro Max and streamed music from Qobuz. All four headphones have iOS apps which feature differing degrees of customization. The Sony uses the "Headphone" app, the Panda uses the third party app "SoundID", the Amiron Wireless uses the "MIY" app and the Bathys use the Focal app. All headphones were used with their respective app also being used. And of course, since the comparisons were done using an iPhone only one Bluetooth codec was used: AAC (Advanced Audio Codec)

Once again, my listening using Bluetooth reconfirmed the overall sound quality of the four headphones, even when used with their respective apps, namely that in order of overall sound quality the headphones are the Sony WH1000XM3, the Drop Panda, the Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless and the Focal Bathys.

My listening notes for each headphone via Bluetooth:

Sony WH1000XM3 - somewhat "dark" and boxy or closed in sounding with fairly decent high end and somewhat muddy sounding bass. Okay for travelling and when good noise cancellation is needed.

Drop Panda - less "dark" than the Sony with a very nice high end but a little light in the bass. Fairly open sound for a portable closed back headphone.

Beyerdynamic Amiron Wireless - now things are starting to get interesting. More open sounding with very good high end and rich, deep bass. To be fair, the Amiron Wireless are full size, over ear headphones and are more suited to wearing around the house or office and are not really suited for travelling, other than when sitting in a hotel room.

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Focal Bathys - like the Amiron Wireless the Bathys are major step up from the Sony WH1000XM3 and the Drop Panda, with crisp high end, great bass and a nice, balanced sound. Unlike the Amiron Wireless the Bathys are true portable headphones with slightly smaller ear cups but with over 95% of the sound of a full size, over ear headphone.

For me the Focal Bathys is the clear winner among these four wireless headphones with the best overall sound and the best feature set, especially the USB DAC mode. While the need to have the Bathys powered on when used in passive wired mode with a desktop headphone amp may seem inconvenient, the noise cancellation is active and comes in handy in many situations. Due to the wonderful and unique (at this time) USB DAC mode and the full size headphone sound I would say that despite their relatively high price the Bathys are actually a bargain since all one now needs to listen to high resolution music on headphones is a compatible mobile device, the correct cables and adapters, a music streaming subscription and of course, the Focal Bathys.
Great review, thank you! I haven’t had a lot of time yet to burn mine in (6 hours in 2 weeks 😩). Would you mind sharing how you burned them in? Secondly, is it a stock USB-C cable you’re using for the USB DAC mode?
 
Oct 25, 2022 at 3:44 PM Post #482 of 1,827
Great review, thank you!
You're welcome. I was hoping that others might find my review useful.
Would you mind sharing how you burned them in?
I have a Sony NW-A45 digital audio player which I connected to the Bathys via Bluetooth. The Sony DAP is able to play while connected to power. The Bathys are alsoable to play in Bluetooth mode while connected to power. I set the Sony DAP play continuously and let it play to the Bathys for about two and half days. Worked great and helped to relieve any audiophile induced nervousness regarding burn-in :relaxed:
Secondly, is it a stock USB-C cable you’re using for the USB DAC mode?
No. The stock USB-C cable has USB-C on both ends and in order to use the Apple lightning to USB-A camera adapter one needs a USB-A to USB-C cable. The cable I'm using is a 3 foot long HOINZN, which I picked up from Amazon. when it comes to digital cables I just like a well made and durable cable since the cable has very little, if any, effect on the sound.

USB-A to USB-C cable

Apple USB camera adapter

The stock USB-C does work great with my iPad Air, my Fire HD 10 Plus and, of course, for charging the Bathys.
 
Oct 25, 2022 at 5:42 PM Post #483 of 1,827
Hey guys any iPhone users? I’m having some annoying issues using Bluetooth.

If I turn on the Bathys and connect, then hit play on a Tidal or Qobuz track, my phone shows as playing but I get no sound. Iphone shows as being connected and that’s the sound output selected. I have to hit play and then turn the headphones on and then sound comes out perfectly.

But if I pause or switch to another album, again no sound but it shows as playing. Have to turn them off and back on
 
Oct 25, 2022 at 5:59 PM Post #484 of 1,827
Hey guys any iPhone users?
Yes I stated in my review posted above, I'm using the Bathys with an iPhone and Bluetooth and I'm not experiencing any issues. Try rebooting your iPhone and see if that resolves the connection issues that you are experiencing.
 
Oct 25, 2022 at 6:07 PM Post #485 of 1,827
You're welcome. I was hoping that others might find my review useful.

I have a Sony NW-A45 digital audio player which I connected to the Bathys via Bluetooth. The Sony DAP is able to play while connected to power. The Bathys are alsoable to play in Bluetooth mode while connected to power. I set the Sony DAP play continuously and let it play to the Bathys for about two and half days. Worked great and helped to relieve any audiophile induced nervousness regarding burn-in :relaxed:

No. The stock USB-C cable has USB-C on both ends and in order to use the Apple lightning to USB-A camera adapter one needs a USB-A to USB-C cable. The cable I'm using is a 3 foot long HOINZN, which I picked up from Amazon. when it comes to digital cables I just like a well made and durable cable since the cable has very little, if any, effect on the sound.

USB-A to USB-C cable

Apple USB camera adapter

The stock USB-C does work great with my iPad Air, my Fire HD 10 Plus and, of course, for charging the Bathys.
 
Oct 25, 2022 at 10:40 PM Post #486 of 1,827
Yes I stated in my review posted above, I'm using the Bathys with an iPhone and Bluetooth and I'm not experiencing any issues. Try rebooting your iPhone and see if that resolves the connection issues that you are experiencing.
Thanks I’ll try that. If that doesn’t work I’ll maybe reinstall the app and forget/re-pair them to my phone
 
Oct 26, 2022 at 7:20 AM Post #488 of 1,827
I spent a few more hours with the Bathys last night and, whether it's brain burn in or actual driver burn in I'm enjoying the sound more and more. A review mentioned, in comparison to the PX8, mids, specifically vocals, seem to be less forward, and I finally found a track in my library that really demonstrated that, and, more so helped me better understand my preference in sound signature. In Under the Bridge by RHCP on the Bathys when Anthony's vocal come in they are clear and organic sounding but slightly pulled back, where as on the PX8 I found that section of the track to be almost overwhelmingly mid forward. Now, admittedly, I have no clue how the actual track was mixed nor what the 'proper' representation is... I just know I prefer the way he Bathys handles this.

Another track where I found a noticeable difference in the sound signature of the Bathys and PX8 is Rey's Theme by John Williams. The initial flute sounds more airy on the Bathys, the introduction of the woodwinds shows off Bathys capability of separating each instrument, however I found the PX8 to have a more meaty sort of full bodied sound especially with the oboe and bassoon. Similarly as the strings come in I feel that the the PX8 has an overall richer sound (especially the plucks of the double bass). I wouldn't classify either presentation as 'better', they are just different and, for me, help better illustrate the overall differences in sound signatures of these two headphones.

Interestingly, after exclusively listening to the Bathys and PX8 for the last week (in terms of over hear headphones), I decided to listen to a couple of tracks with my Airpods Max, a headphone I considered to sound quite good (for wireless ANC), and, well, I don't think I could ever go back. Now that I know how good wireless ANC headphones can sound... I don't know that anything else will do.

Hi guys, I don’t want to hijack this thread but my own thread asking for advice is not getting a lot of response.

Looking to replace my Sony XM2. I think I have narrowed it down to Bathys or PX8, however strongly considering the Airpods Max now too as I will use them exclusively with my IPhone and Tidal.

Is there a big step up in performance from the Airpods Max? as I can obtain second had APM quite easily.

I guess I do like a bit of extra bass when on the move. Things like call quality not important to me, so will be used almost exclusively for listening to music.

Also heard the Bathys do not go that loud?
I can confirm your last question, I wish they could play louder.
 
Oct 27, 2022 at 8:34 AM Post #491 of 1,827
I just got a pair of these and had a listen while walking my dog. They have promise for sure, but they need to break in for sure...
 
Oct 27, 2022 at 10:31 AM Post #492 of 1,827
I ordered a pair today and should arrive tomorrow. Going to check them out and compare them to the KEF Mu7.
 
Oct 28, 2022 at 4:58 PM Post #493 of 1,827
Update as my Focal Bathys came in and went out for a 2 hour (4 mile walk) with ANCs on with battery at 100%
  • Right away the sound quality is impressive and made me go wow. This was coming from the KEF Mu7. I'm either really preferring the Focal house sound or the punch/slam from the Bathys added clean energy that the KEFs more congested sounded for close backs.
  • USB-C Mode: Wow - they're a big step up from BT mode and apparently they're a Burr-Brown DAC based on one of the YouTube reviews. This is the way to go when you want to extract the most out of these.
  • They're significantly louder in USB-C mode compared to BT.
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Oct 28, 2022 at 5:46 PM Post #494 of 1,827
Update as my Focal Bathys came in and went out for a 2 hour (4 mile walk) with ANCs on with battery at 100%
  • Right away the sound quality is impressive and made me go wow. This was coming from the KEF Mu7. I'm either really preferring the Focal house sound or the punch/slam from the Bathys added clean energy that the KEFs more congested sounded for close backs.
  • USB-C Mode: Wow - they're a big step up from BT mode and apparently they're a Burr-Brown DAC based on one of the YouTube reviews. This is the way to go when you want to extract the most out of these.
  • They're significantly louder in USB-C mode compared to BT.
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I completely agree with everything you wrote!
 
Oct 28, 2022 at 6:07 PM Post #495 of 1,827
“…they're a Burr-Brown DAC based on one of the YouTube reviews”

Would you mind sharing a YouTube link to that review?

I “burned” these in for 40+ hours over the past two days. I’m no audiophile but the difference, it’s quite something.
 
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