flinkenick's 17 Flagship IEM Shootout Thread (and general high-end portable audio discussion)
Dec 19, 2019 at 11:58 AM Post #19,651 of 39,414
As promised - here go my impressions of the Iliad and Plato. I’ll keep them to the point as a full review of both is soon coming up

First and foremost, I can’t thank enough Eric for the top notch service he and his company have provided. Not only did I purchase a few cables, but I’ve also made a great friend, and I will continue enjoying our audio discussions in the months and years to come. Genuinely great guy!

Unfortunately I can’t comment on the packaging just yet (even though it’s meant to be phenomenal), but I will be able to in two weeks or so, when the boxes and cases arrive

Anyhow, let’s get started with the Plato.









Almost every cable manufacturer promises on their websites that they’ve reinvented silver and that their pure silver cable has nothing to do with traditional pure silvers. In my experience however, many pure silvers I’ve tried heavily defend the treble boosted stereotype - I am pretty lucky to really enjoy that kind of sound, so I figured even if the Plato was marketed as different, but truly wasn’t, I’d still love it

Boy was I wrong though

The Plato is probably the most mid centric IEM cable I have ever tried. It tightens the bass a little, just gives it a hint of additional control and precision, gives the treble a small boost (much less than say, the cleopatra octa), and once that’s out of the way, starts working its magic on the midrange. Not only does it elevate the mids, but it enhances their detail, separation, precision and texture. In a way it sucks out any extra energy that is surrounding the instruments and vocals, and gives them a much more individual and pronounced identity.

When testing it with the 64 Fourte Noir, I found myself enjoying the IEM more than I have ever done, due to a much more balanced/neutral signature that still had the fun element the Fourte is known for. The midrange became much clearer and more pronounced, while the bass was somewhat tamed. The treble, while it did get a small bump, remained under control.

When I tried the Plato with the Elysium I found it to further focus its sound signature around the midrange, giving it additional separation and better instrumental placement/soundstage depth. I ended up preferring what the Iliad did to the sound, since it felt like it balanced the Elysium’s signature somewhat more, but regardless - either cable would make for a beautiful combination

The Plato isn’t a cable that will radically change an IEM. For the most part you will enjoy the same sound you are used to, but with better technicality, an enhanced midrange and controlled lows and highs. As far as pure silver cables as concerned, the Plato really departs from the stereotype and majority, and is able to offer something truly unique

The hardware that Eletech have developed for the Plato is outstanding. Best split I’ve seen, best plug I’ve seen, best pins I’ve used. Honestly, if the sound departs from the competition, the hardware is so far ahead, you can’t really look at the competition as competition, but rather a bunch of companies that will have to up their hardware game. Splits are already on point, but Eletech goes to show just how creative a company can be as far as the pins and plugs are concerned

My only criticism of the Plato, as already shared with Eric, is the fact that the insulation is prone to stiffness. It’s nothing excessive like say, the 4w Labkables, but when comparing it to other quality cables I’ve used, it just feels a tad stiffer.

Overall, if a midrange bump or enhancement is what you’re after, I would heavily heavily recommend the Plato. Not only for the sound, but I can almost guarantee the Eletech will make you rediscover the meaning of hardware and quality cable parts. Best in the industry, comparable to none

Now, the Iliad....









This will inevitably sound like a massive exaggeration but those of you that have had a chance to play around with the Iliad will know that I’m really not joking

Eletech, in creating the Iliad, have created the perfect IEM cable. Up until now I have not used the word “perfect” when describing just about any piece of gear, but the Iliad truly is the one and only cable I would call “perfect” - no other word is good enough to describe this masterpiece

The texture of the material is something that will make you want to spend 20 000 euros on a camera to just take photos of it and explore every single detail and bend. The plug and pins would be the most premium pieces of hardware I have ever come across if they weren’t connected by the split which is by far the most mind blowing split you will ever witness.

It has three sides as can be seen in the previous photo post, which when spun - mimic the effect of a lantern. The best part is, it *really* works. Since I received the cables I haven’t stopped playing around with them, and will probably not stop soon

The cable insulation is also perfectly smooth and contributes to the exaggerated premium feeling that the cable is all about.

When speaking to Eric over the past few weeks he told me they set out to create the perfect product - pretty much completely disregarding the cost of the materials and craftsmanship. Having the Iliad in my hands now, that effort can really be felt.

Moving on to the sound (though I really want to keep praising the hardware), the Iliad dazzles with the technicality it squeezes out of your IEMs. It is comfortably the most holographic sound any cable has been able to produce out of my monitors, where each sound has a specific position and shape. It also has a similar effect to the Plato, where the extra energy is sucked out of instruments and vocals, to create a pitch black background, further enhancing the imaging capabilities of the IEM

Detail retrieval is like no other - even when swapping from the Bespoke Leo Cleo, the Iliad has made me hear things that no other cable has

The Iliad plays with the frequencies a touch more - an effect I imagine is caused by the additional resistance from the gold and palladium. The bass feels somewhat more unshackled, allowed to reign free - works spectacularly well with flatter monitors like the A18t and the Elysium. The midrange remains intact, or well, somewhat improved as a result of the additional technicality it can work with. The effect the Iliad has on the treble is beautiful. Instead of a raw boost, it introduces loads of sparkle and quality making it better as opposed to simply more. I currently have the Iliad strapped to my Elysium, and I doubt it is going anywhere soon. I can imagine it pairing extremely well with the Khan and its rather dry treble though. Unfortunately I no longer own a Khan to test that

If you have the cash and are willing to spend it on a cable, I can’t find any other I would recommend as strongly as the Iliad. I’m personally a huge fan of EA, and I love the Leo Cleo bespoke, but the hardware on the Iliad is simply in a league of its own.

Heavily heavily recommended.

What both cables have in common is that neither will make your IEMs sound like a completely different piece of gear, but will instead take what you already love and take it a step further, squeeze out every last ounce of performance, with a few touches to the frequency distribution.

I would not be surprised to see the Iliad become one of 2020’s bestsellers, and claim a spot in the cable hall of fame. Eletech have created a product that is prepared to shatter what a customer expects of a cable, and IMHO, would have a really healthy effect on the industry as a whole

I will pause here as those are meant to be short initial impressions - both cables to be covered extensively in the reviews to come - potentially another collaboration with THL :)


Been out of the cable game for awhile since I got the venom but the illiad sounds like it would be a damn good match for A18t. Previously I loved the PW audio 1960 (or maybe it was 80) with the A18t. Does it compete with regard to bass quantity on the A18t with the 80/60(can't remember which it was)? Does it compete with the technicality of the 1950?
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 12:39 PM Post #19,652 of 39,414
If you don't read anything read the 'public service announcement'

I know that this is technically an IEM thread and not a cable thread, but I feel like I need to give Double Helix Cables (DHC) some props.

After 3 months of waiting I got my Symbiote yesterday, I realize that 3 months is a long time to wait, but I am very glad that I did. Before it arrived I couldn't comprehend why it would take 3 months to complete my Symbiote. I am ashamed to admit that I pestered Peter more than once to ask about when the product would be finished.

Yesterday, my Symbiote finally arrived and I was wowed at first glance, Peter hand-makes each of his cables and when you seem them it becomes immediately clear how much of his love of the craft he puts into each cable. The Symbiote is the type of thing that is obviously well made even to people unfamiliar with such things. For example, most of you well know the depth of my obsession with all things audio, because of this my girlfriend has seen many the opening of high-end audio equipment, mostly she'll just glance over at whatever I have ordered, shrug her shoulders and mutter something about how stupid it is to spend that much money on 'headphones', when I opened the Symbiote she floated over and said 'ohhh that's pretty'. The Symbiote looks is every bit as good as the Leonidas sitting next to it on my desk, I actually prefer it, but it also sounds every bit as good. The Symbiote isn't an overly warm, or sharp cable, infact it doesn't add anything extra to your IEMs, like the Leonidas, it just seems to coax more out of any IEM that it is paired with. I would recommend the Symbiote to anyone who wants a clean sounding IEM setup at a reasonable price..the Leonidas is a tried and tested cable, it is also a similarly great option for someone who wants an expensive cable but doesn't know where to start. The Leonidas, however, just isn't made with the same love that the Symbiote is, Effect Audio makes great cables and they make them much more quickly, but DHC offers so many more customization options than most manufacturers.

I have a pretty non-biased outlook on the audio equipment I buy, just because I paid thousands of dollars for a new IEM, cable, or source doesn't mean that I'll say its good. There have been many times I have my high expectations for an expensive product dashed because of bad customer service, or quality, but there are very very very few times where my expectations are exceeded. DHC has exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.

TLDR: DHC makes the highest quality cables at a fair price, they offer you all the customization in the world, with a sound every bit as good as their outstanding build quality, and the final product is a cable that really feels like it was handmade specifically for you, because it was.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Please give DHC a chance, we are very lucky to have someone who hasn't sold out and who makes such great cables for such a fair price, his goal isn't to move units, its to make custom products that are uncompromisingly good. Please don't be like me and complain to Peter that he is taking too long, you will be happy with the end result.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 1:06 PM Post #19,653 of 39,414
...when I opened the Symbiote she floated over and said 'ohhh that's pretty'. The Symbiote looks is every bit as good as the Leonidas sitting next to it on my desk...
...All that and then you don't post pictures?! That's downright evil! Psychological torture I tell you! [runs off in a state of FOMO panic] :D
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 1:11 PM Post #19,654 of 39,414
...All that and then you don't post pictures?! That's downright evil! Psychological torture I tell you! [runs off in a state of FOMO panic] :D

Hahaha, I thought my words were picture enough. I will throw a few pictures up later today :)
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 2:05 PM Post #19,656 of 39,414
Guys, I’d love your input on something. 64Audio U12t or Cayin N8:

For a while now, I have been looking for a nice high-end IEM that is also forgiving enough to work well with my music library. I have a U12t on loan here and I am really liking it, that I am interesting in picking up a used pair.

Or

For a while now, I have also been wanting to replace my Hugo2 with a smooth sounding DAC/Amp. I am a big fan of good tube sound. As some of you might recall, WooAudio WA8 was a disappointment. Based on what I’ve read about the Cayin N8, I think I would really love it’s sound. But it’s shape is a turn off and the controls seem to be clunky. Also I have no experience with the Nutube before. Is the sound of N8’s tube mode quite different from a typical warm sounding solid state DAP or DAC/Amp. @davidmolliere , the timing couldn’t be more perfect, as you have an N8 loaner with you.

Or

I could do the right thing and save the money towards my retirement.

What do you guys think?
 
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Dec 19, 2019 at 2:31 PM Post #19,658 of 39,414
Guys, I’d love your input on something. 64Audio U12t or Cayin N8:

For a while now, I have been looking for a nice high-end IEM that is also forgiving enough to work well with my music library. I have a U12t on loan here and I am really liking it, that I am interesting in picking up a used pair.

Or

For a while now, I have also been wanting to replace my Hugo2 with a smooth sounding DAC/Amp. I am a big fan of good tube sound. As some of you might recall, WooAudio WA8 was a disappointment. Based on what I’ve read about the Cayin N8, I think I would really love it’s sound. But it’s shape is a turn off and the controls seem to be clunky. Also I have no experience with the Nutube before. Is the sound of N8’s tube mode quite different from a typical warm sounding solid state DAP or DAC/Amp. @davidmolliere , the timing couldn’t be more perfect, as you have an N8 loaner with you.

Or

I could do the right thing and save the money towards my retirement.

What do you guys think?
Tell the person you borrowed the U12t from that those were impounded by customs and buy the N8. Perfect setup for retirement. :D
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 2:32 PM Post #19,659 of 39,414
Guys, I’d love your input on something. 64Audio U12t or Cayin N8:

For a while now, I have been looking for a nice high-end IEM that is also forgiving enough to work well with my music library. I have a U12t on loan here and I am really liking it, that I am interesting in picking up a used pair.

Or

For a while now, I have also been wanting to replace my Hugo2 with a smooth sounding DAC/Amp. I am a big fan of good tube sound. As some of you might recall, WooAudio WA8 was a disappointment. Based on what I’ve read about the Cayin N8, I think I would really love it’s sound. But it’s shape is a turn off and the controls seem to be clunky. Also I have no experience with the Nutube before. Is the sound of N8’s tube mode quite different from a typical warm sounding solid state DAP or DAC/Amp. @davidmolliere , the timing couldn’t be more perfect, as you have an N8 loaner with you.

Or

I could do the right thing and save the money towards my retirement.

What do you guys think?

Vishnu, maybe the last option meant to read "... save the money towards my kid's college fund" :D

My personal opinion, go for the source. People usually go through iems more often than sources. Flagship source is a better investment than iem which you might change your mind about after something new gets on your radar.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 2:35 PM Post #19,660 of 39,414
Vishnu, maybe the last option meant to read "... save the money towards my kid's college fund" :D My personal opinion, go for the source. People usually go through iems more often than sources. Flagship source is a better investment than iem which you might change your mind about after something new gets on your radar.

I have been telling myself this last year, focus on source and then miserably failed... maybe this year I’d have learned my lesson :p
 
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Dec 19, 2019 at 3:46 PM Post #19,661 of 39,414
You definitely paint a very pretty picture. :wink: Sounds like a great cable!

I’m not too good at the pictures, but hopefully that gives you an idea of the quality

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Dec 19, 2019 at 4:03 PM Post #19,662 of 39,414
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I reviewed this bad boy a bit ago. Since then I have been on a "trybrid" kick i.e. hybrids with the added EST, Piezo, or Magnetostatic drivers. I love IEM rolling and therefore I have numerous IEMs I roll with. As I am rolling I keep coming back to the NCM Bella V2 and get an instant smile on my face. This random smile does scare my wife, who thinks I am having a TIA. @thomaskr has done an amazing job creating this DD/8BA IEM. The strengths IMHO are the coherence, detail, and non fatiguing W signature. On top of that the cost to quality ratio is outstanding.
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 4:09 PM Post #19,663 of 39,414
I’m not too good at the pictures, but hopefully that gives you an idea of the quality

Thanks for going through the effort my friend! That is indeed an absolutely gorgeous looking cable! :ksc75smile:
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 4:52 PM Post #19,664 of 39,414
Glad someone else busted @ceeloChamp's chops. All that praise and no initial photos...it's practically illegal! :)

@SLC1966 thanks, I had sort of forgotten about the Bella! I think I will replace my non-existent Fusion with one of those soon.

-Collin-
 
Dec 19, 2019 at 7:45 PM Post #19,665 of 39,414
Glad someone else busted @ceeloChamp's chops. All that praise and no initial photos...it's practically illegal! :)

@SLC1966 thanks, I had sort of forgotten about the Bella! I think I will replace my non-existent Fusion with one of those soon.

-Collin-
Have you received your Fusion?
 

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