FiiO X7 | DXD | DSD | 384K/64B | ESS9018+ Android | WiFi | Bluetooth | 4 AMP modules | Balanced Out |

Nov 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM Post #1,321 of 18,020
Yeah, they gonna take the good out of Android and limit the possible downsides.
Of course, proper implementation remains to be seen...
I have no doubt hardware/sound wise Fiio will deliver, now the software (Android) part is interesting
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 10:51 AM Post #1,322 of 18,020
Guys, to be specific, all we need is Sansa Clip+ version that has:
 
- ES9018 with SNR 120dB
- that can replace hammer in everyday carpentry work (metal magnesium build)
- modular (balanced amp, battery)
- playlist support like in rockbox (if there was rockbox... whooaa!!!)
- hardware buttons that are made of METAL
- OLED sexy screen
 
After those it immediately can be priced over $1000.
 
Rest is average important and not major.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 10:58 AM Post #1,323 of 18,020
  Guys, to be specific, all we need is Sansa Clip+ version that has:
 
- ES9018 with SNR 120dB
- that can replace hammer in everyday carpentry work (metal magnesium build)
- modular (balanced amp, battery)
- playlist support like in rockbox (if there was rockbox... whooaa!!!)
- hardware buttons that are made of METAL
- OLED sexy screen
 
After those it immediately can be priced over $1000.
 
Rest is average important and not major.

 
Porting Rockbox should not be impossible. X7 is using the RK3188 chip and an OS based on Android.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM Post #1,324 of 18,020
what I understand from a few of the posts in the last pages is "if it's not what I want, I don't want it to exist". to that I say: nice spirit bub!
 
also, and that may just be me, but when I see people asking for a simple high quality sounding DAP with minimalistic functions, I wonder why they don't have a X5 already?
and then I seriously wonder what they expect the sound to be like in an improved model?  the sound in the X5 with the proper headphones is like what? 99.5% perfect reproduction at the amp output(and the headphone will ruin that number). do you really expect a DAP with 99.6%(and keep in mind that 0.1% improvement will probably be for some sound 100db quieter than the main music) to blow your mind or to even sound different at all?
 
the price arguments are just unreal so I won't even try. at least I guess James can feel flattered that some people mistake his compagny for samsung or a brand of luxe sport cars ^_^.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 1:25 PM Post #1,325 of 18,020
I dont understand some of the latest post in this thread, are people actually debating the correct price point without actual valid reasoning. Samsung did made their phone more expensive every iteration , so does HTC and LG. Do note that I also dont understand people who keep requesting the stuff they want when its pretty much been decided on the first page
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 2:16 PM Post #1,326 of 18,020
   
 
Hey!!  some chinese companys maybe even have child labour in thier fabrics :)

are you high brah??
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Nov 18, 2014 at 2:26 PM Post #1,327 of 18,020
  what I understand from a few of the posts in the last pages is "if it's not what I want, I don't want it to exist". to that I say: nice spirit bub!
 
also, and that may just be me, but when I see people asking for a simple high quality sounding DAP with minimalistic functions, I wonder why they don't have a X5 already?
and then I seriously wonder what they expect the sound to be like in an improved model?  the sound in the X5 with the proper headphones is like what? 99.5% perfect reproduction at the amp output(and the headphone will ruin that number). do you really expect a DAP with 99.6%(and keep in mind that 0.1% improvement will probably be for some sound 100db quieter than the main music) to blow your mind or to even sound different at all?
 
the price arguments are just unreal so I won't even try. at least I guess James can feel flattered that some people mistake his compagny for samsung or a brand of luxe sport cars ^_^.

Exactly, the DX90 and X5 are already high quality sounding DAP with minimalistic functions, in fact, all the top of the line DAPs on the market currently sound great already. 
Adding on functions(correctly) are the next logical improvement.
I love my DX90 but there are few functions that I want to have on it, the first being Spotify.
DAP stands for Digital Audio Player, and as far as I am concerned, Spotify is 'Digital Audio'.
 
I can play spotify on my phone, but I want all my music on one device and my phone doesn't sound as good anyway.
I have a portable DAC/Amp to go with my phone, but I don't want that extra bulk, plus it is messy with the cables and straps and such.
 
I believe FiiO can pull this off.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 3:45 PM Post #1,328 of 18,020
Just a little input i've been opservant of why do you "all" bash ideas coming from another just because they have a different opinion on what the x7 should contain. I my book start looking at what have been decided on page 1 fill in the blanks instead of being personal and rude to others ? If you don't like what another is proposing then let him/ her have their opinion it is after all still a thread called " Reply to Fiio x7, what is your your Dream dap" just my Two cent's.
I would love the first rendering of the fiio x7 sketh what do others think ?
Thanks for your time;)
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 4:05 PM Post #1,329 of 18,020
  what I understand from a few of the posts in the last pages is "if it's not what I want, I don't want it to exist". to that I say: nice spirit bub!
 
also, and that may just be me, but when I see people asking for a simple high quality sounding DAP with minimalistic functions, I wonder why they don't have a X5 already?
and then I seriously wonder what they expect the sound to be like in an improved model?  the sound in the X5 with the proper headphones is like what? 99.5% perfect reproduction at the amp output(and the headphone will ruin that number). do you really expect a DAP with 99.6%(and keep in mind that 0.1% improvement will probably be for some sound 100db quieter than the main music) to blow your mind or to even sound different at all?
 
the price arguments are just unreal so I won't even try. at least I guess James can feel flattered that some people mistake his compagny for samsung or a brand of luxe sport cars ^_^.

ok. i get your point too. but you listened to x5 vs ak240 or vs cowon p1 or vs chord hugo, and heard no improvement?
 
what looks like nice on papers might be a real deal in real life experience. 
 
i want it to be able to have lots of battery, lots of space for my music, lots of power, and be hard as a rock. these are nice things to have. these can be put in a mobile phone, and i can name a few that have these things,... but no mobile phone has what is the most important, sound quality...
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM Post #1,330 of 18,020
   
Agree with many things you are saying! Nothing wrong with your thought or your buying habbits :) As long there is people are willing to pay high price for someting, there will bee company that are willing to make that kind of product and charge the that kind of high price
 
Sony Z2 and Z3, is a bad example, lets take Samsung S2, S3,S4,S5 or HTC One X, One M7, One M8, what ever phone model. These company making better phone every year, pushing the development forward, but charge you the same price!!!!!!!! How would you react if Samsung charge 100$ extra for the built in fingerprint reader :) ?  Rember, I bough a Dell top of the line computer in 2004 for 3,500 USD, ten year later (2014) i buy top spec computer for 1500 usd.
 
Same goes for BMW 320 that my friend bought new in 2003 for 45 000$ in European, and  11 year later, the BMW 320  still cost around 45 000$ but you get a better ca, newer, fuel effiency, better looking and so on. You even got bluetooth streaming in that car :) . But BMW never charge you more for all the technology development. That is what i call development and Dutch engineering.
 
 
Just because some people are coming from a more expensive audio gear and find X7 cheap, doesn't mean Fiio X7 at 700$ is cheap!!! If one person that have been driven a luxury sportcar like Lamborghini he find BMW M3 at a much much lower price great value for the money, doesn't mean that M3 has a good value for moneu or cheap. It is hell expensive.
 
 
I find Fiio's product as cheap and have a good value before, but this is not the case anymore as they are raising thier price when new products is releasing. That is sad that some people here found it great value, properly they don't know how to spend thier hard earned money a better way :) Just like buying a new BMW M3 and thinking of that Lamborghini and remind yourself, what a great deal i have made, i have just bough a 5-8 times cheaper car, and dont forget keep smiling :)

now, i totally understand you.. but now i am searching for top laptop, and the top is at 3000$... i am going to buy at 1500$ too because after this price i am already wasting precious money on a thing i am not going to use at full potential, and is similar to the more expensive one in everyday use... but a laptop 3000$ can be so much better connected to a 56" display or more displays connected at once.
 
about phones, it is like nobody would pay more than the asked 1000$ for note4, but iphone 6 was around 2000$ at it's launch in my country... i am not even joking... that is one expensive thing.
 
now, until getting a LOT of money, i always bought whatever phone was free with my subscription [orange network from romania, i pay 10-20$ a month, and i can have 300$ phone for free! yay!]..Now that i have a lot of money i might consider getting note4 as it is better, and i would not change it for a few years.
x5 was around 430$ when i got it. Price is relative to area you buy.. sennheiser everything was 2/3 of the outside price in my country for 10 years...
 
no, i am understanding, but the thing is that fiio until now made everything as good as possible for the money paid, they haven't wasted money. if they will do this right, x7 might be the best DAP out there...
 
 
back to the topic.
i really want to be able to use x7 as a DAC. 
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 4:56 PM Post #1,331 of 18,020
 
  what I understand from a few of the posts in the last pages is "if it's not what I want, I don't want it to exist". to that I say: nice spirit bub!
 
also, and that may just be me, but when I see people asking for a simple high quality sounding DAP with minimalistic functions, I wonder why they don't have a X5 already?
and then I seriously wonder what they expect the sound to be like in an improved model?  the sound in the X5 with the proper headphones is like what? 99.5% perfect reproduction at the amp output(and the headphone will ruin that number). do you really expect a DAP with 99.6%(and keep in mind that 0.1% improvement will probably be for some sound 100db quieter than the main music) to blow your mind or to even sound different at all?
 
the price arguments are just unreal so I won't even try. at least I guess James can feel flattered that some people mistake his compagny for samsung or a brand of luxe sport cars ^_^.

ok. i get your point too. but you listened to x5 vs ak240 or vs cowon p1 or vs chord hugo, and heard no improvement?
 
what looks like nice on papers might be a real deal in real life experience. 
 
i want it to be able to have lots of battery, lots of space for my music, lots of power, and be hard as a rock. these are nice things to have. these can be put in a mobile phone, and i can name a few that have these things,... but no mobile phone has what is the most important, sound quality...


lots of battery and lots of power in something that isn't the size of a giant brick? I would be very interested if that product ever existed. the hugo isn't a DAP so I won't say anything. ak240 has just slightly lower battery power, so I wouldn't expect a big difference in what they both do of it. so from there it's all a question of what we need and what we define as better sound. I don't know at all about the cowon but they are not famous for power output so I would expect the need of an amp for a good number of headphones(does it have a line out? ). and again it's very natural given the size of those products. I'm not criticizing cowon, they do portable audio and have to accept some limitations to keep a certain form factor.
 
now from 2 DAPs with good measurements and flat signature, often the reall differences come down to the range of headphones it can drive. impedance ouptut, how it behaves when used with an ultra low impedance IEMs? how it behaves with a 150ohm headphone? how much gain is available if you have low sensi headphones?
I believe those are most of the real differences people perceive and not a lot of real "sound qualities". I often hear differences with my customs that I can't hear with a simple IEM with stable impedance around 30ohm and ok sensitivity. that's not the BS often brought by audiophiles that you need great gear to perceive differences, it's simply that my customs are little buggers with wide impedance changes thanks to the crossovers. and some DAPs don't handle super low impedance all that well. they start to have more distortion(I doubt it's audible but it's true), a lot more crosstalk that I sometimes clearly feel I can tell and probably a few other little things I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand.
and if 2 DAPs have more than 2 or 3 ohm difference as output, then it's my custom IEM that will change its signature a little and that too will make me say one is better when they aren't.
 
the X5 is low impedance and has lots of power so it is made to cope with a wide range of products. cowon unless they changed specially on this model isn't famous for under 1ohm impedance ouptuts. if it has around 3ohm like my actual cowon, then it's enough for me to favor the X5.
ak240 can be whatever it likes at that price with that weirdo shape I'm not interested. for the money I would go for almost any ok DAP with a nice line out or digital out and a hifi-m8 amp (or for IEMs a leckerton amp) and be very confident I would get better sound. objectively and subjectively.
 
so yeah I feel like as long as the DAP has specs fitting my headphone, all the good ones are pretty much the same and my choice will go with the one that has more battery or better UI. or I simply will get one that isn't a brick and will use easier to drive IEMs on it than my jh13.
on those matters I can't judge anything, we all have different lives with different needs and different headphones. but people expecting some abstract and universal sound improvement are in my opinion mislead most of the time, and something like a X5 is already amazing for a portable product. as long as you don't mind the battery and carrying it ^_^.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:57 PM Post #1,332 of 18,020
The X5's battery is fine for me (8-10 hours), and the X5 ia lot easier to carry than was my DX50/JDS Labs C5 stack, with better sound.  
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM Post #1,333 of 18,020
The X7 will not please everybody, that much is clear. If it doesn't sound better than the X5, some will not be enticed by its touch screen or ability to stream music. I'm curious about its streaming, though: will you be able to link up to a smartphone's network via bluetooth, thus allowing for truly portable streaming? Or will it be necessary to use a wifi hotspot? I'm not up to speed on this technology since I don't use it. With the AK240, I think you have to be within range of your home network in order to stream from your desktop.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 9:22 PM Post #1,334 of 18,020
Fiio seems to have its head on straight with the idea of superior sound.  It knows what devices it's attempting to reach/exceed in quality.  Joe and James are having fun teasing us with hints.  I'm enjoying the ride, and I would expect no less than a device that is to some degree superior to the X5 aurally and probably has features that will please some of the people who want more than a simple player.  At this point it's time to sit back and see what they come up with.  
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 6:45 AM Post #1,335 of 18,020
  The X7 will not please everybody, that much is clear. If it doesn't sound better than the X5, some will not be enticed by its touch screen or ability to stream music. I'm curious about its streaming, though: will you be able to link up to a smartphone's network via bluetooth, thus allowing for truly portable streaming? Or will it be necessary to use a wifi hotspot? I'm not up to speed on this technology since I don't use it. With the AK240, I think you have to be within range of your home network in order to stream from your desktop.

Come on - make it pleasing even my mother!
 
Make it sounding better than hm-901, have software as good as rockbox and proper 9V at leas battery.
 
Dont do "almost good device".
 

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